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    #31
    Originally posted by CorvallisBMW View Post
    Well, sabotage usually involves trying to destroy or delegitimize something, i.e. Gov't is bad, gov't is too big, gov't is the problem, gov't needs to be reigned in, etc. We don't like government, so elect us to run the government and we'll dismantle it! yeah! (see Encyclopedia of American Politics 2000-2006 and see how the "party of small gov't" did on that record)

    Vs the other side who says gov't can be a useful tool to improve the lives of it's countries' citizens, to make a more perfect union, to create a better, more prosperous and more just place to live and ensure that all Americans are given a voice and a chance. <--- Doesn't sound much like sabotage to me...



    Welcome to theory vs practical application. Failure from both is all we're getting.
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      #32
      Originally posted by joshh View Post
      Dozy, the guy isn't just calling out the Republican party....and he loves it....BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

      He is making it a Republican vs Democrat thing if you haven't noticed. And being very one sided about it.

      And well done on quoting him while he's sighting a very Progressive (Krugman) person. Your failure is not being able to see this guy was never really a Republican. He just happened to work for them.
      And what you've never loved something so much that it hurt to see it change for the worse?


      would of it been better if he also wrote just as long of a piece bashing the democrats? Why is it so shitty for some one to call it like it is? If he was a democrat all his life and experienced the same thing and wrote the same thing about democrats, this would be just as interesting of a piece. The only difference would be your reaction to this.

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        #33
        Originally posted by frankenbeemer View Post
        I don't know? Could you be more specific? Who are these people that *always* think this way. I would like to avoid them. Seriously.
        i apologize, I misinterpreted what you were saying :)

        And joshh I don't think many people REALIZE to what extent business and government are a swinging door.

        Yeah, Democrats do exactly the same shit but that still doesn't take away with most of what this guy is saying. I guess he'll have to go to the fountain of youth so he can redo his political affiliation for another life time.

        Sorry man but I'm not going to get further sucked into this pointless argument. You win?

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          #34
          Corvallis - the R's are not the small govt either.
          Originally posted by Fusion
          If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
          The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


          The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

          Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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            #35
            More people should read this.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Eecen View Post
              Apparently no one likes reading novels on this forum.



              I thought the article was good, and seems to make some very good points etc. Can even see parallels to this in Canada.


              Fucking politicians. Oh fuuuck, I'm such a pawn =( .
              this is truth. I REALLY am not a conspiracy nut, but one senses a shift toward something somewhat sinister in the western nations in the last few years
              Originally Posted by ACMF74
              i clicked on this cuz i saw p3nis

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                #37
                also as a note and as an outsider, I would say that I see a horrible erosion of what I see as core values in your left of center party as well (this is also echoed in the north)
                Originally Posted by ACMF74
                i clicked on this cuz i saw p3nis

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                  #38
                  ^

                  The truly sad thing is that its not just the left of center party its the supposedly Right of center as well
                  Originally posted by Fusion
                  If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                  The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                  The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                  Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                  William Pitt-

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Eecen View Post
                    More people should read this.


                    ....and see that it's one man's attempt at hard bias.
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                    "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

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                      #40
                      Josh, I do not think that because this article is a lashing of the modern Republican party in the views of a life long member, an insider if you will, means that he HAS to do the same of the Democrats...He had no personal experience as a member of the Dem's for 30 YEARS man. his expertice is in HIS OWN PARTY.

                      this is someone who obviously embraced the GOP for what they were, and admonishes them for what they have become.

                      things don't have to be "fair" in the sense of him saying bad things about the GOP, so now he has to say equal amounts of bad things about dems or it isn't fair... like really?

                      segments your republican party makes me absoulutly sick, I think you guys are fucked there. also coincidentally, I think segments of your democratic party make me taste bile as well, not because "I have to" to be ''fair'' but because there is shit in both camps.

                      as of our last election we have essentially slipped into a 2 party system, and I think that we are as poorly off as the US is at this point. honestly I do not see a satisfying leadership option in any NA country at this point.

                      to the point though, this is an article written by a lifelong member of one party, about one party, not comparing which party is worse (like one is worse, lol)
                      Originally Posted by ACMF74
                      i clicked on this cuz i saw p3nis

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                        #41
                        I believe joshh has his head in the proverbial "sand" here. Just like some many other closed minded/polarized individuals that can't see past something they disagree with.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Pac1373 View Post
                          Josh, I do not think that because this article is a lashing of the modern Republican party in the views of a life long member, an insider if you will, means that he HAS to do the same of the Democrats...He had no personal experience as a member of the Dem's for 30 YEARS man. his expertice is in HIS OWN PARTY.

                          this is someone who obviously embraced the GOP for what they were, and admonishes them for what they have become.

                          things don't have to be "fair" in the sense of him saying bad things about the GOP, so now he has to say equal amounts of bad things about dems or it isn't fair... like really?

                          segments your republican party makes me absoulutly sick, I think you guys are fucked there. also coincidentally, I think segments of your democratic party make me taste bile as well, not because "I have to" to be ''fair'' but because there is shit in both camps.

                          as of our last election we have essentially slipped into a 2 party system, and I think that we are as poorly off as the US is at this point. honestly I do not see a satisfying leadership option in any NA country at this point.

                          to the point though, this is an article written by a lifelong member of one party, about one party, not comparing which party is worse (like one is worse, lol)



                          But both parties are not rotten in quite the same way. The Democrats
                          have their share of machine politicians, careerists, corporate bagmen,
                          egomaniacs and kooks. Nothing, however, quite matches the modern GOP.

                          No he is comparing. And that is exactly why he discredits himself. So he does or doesn't know?






                          Originally posted by Eecen View Post
                          I believe joshh has his head in the proverbial "sand" here. Just like some many other closed minded/polarized individuals that can't see past something they disagree with.


                          Yes of course because like I have already said, both parties are EQUALLY as bad...therefore I have my head in the sand because I don't agree that the republicans are worse. Makes perfect sense....

                          I don't need someone to tell me what's wrong with the Republican party.
                          Last edited by joshh; 09-25-2011, 01:16 AM.
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                          "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by herbivor View Post
                            ^ Didn't you know that Americans don't like to read? We like our information in short sound bites, catchy one-liners, or basically anything that fits on a bumper sticker. We select our politicians based on their charisma and charm, not knowledge or intelligence. Geez, waddya think we are, Canadians or something?
                            Coming from the staunch global warming advocate.


                            "Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."

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