Global Warming is over.

[decay]

Ahem. The two graphs correlate on timeline, but not on extinction events. Bottom graph is extinction bar graph.

Yes, when we have hot earth, life dwindles, and kinda stays stagnant during cooling periods.

that permian extinction- the one 250m years ago, with the fat red crest in the graph you posted- erased 96% of marine life.

keeping the gloves on this time. brother. are you *sure* you're ready to describe that as "dwindling"?

again, not human-caused, primates didn't exist yet. but we *really* want to stay below that "no polar icecap" line.

i've yet to hear anyone explain how that vertical at the end of the graph *isn't* human-caused, and i've presented data-driven arguments about human population scale and activity on how it might be.

does the fact that we might not be the only cause mean we shouldn't do anything?

is it plausible to say that even if we do, we're fucked as a species anyway? certainly.

[ForcedFirebird]

this is where i've gotta disagree with you though. extreme heat cycles directly correlate with extinction events.

Ahem. The two graphs correlate on timeline, but not on extinction events. Bottom graph is extinction bar graph.

Yes, when we have hot earth, life dwindles, and kinda stays stagnant during cooling periods.

[ForcedFirebird]

arite don't take that joke too seriously. i was taking a shot at GM F-bodies; i have a dislike for them, not you. we're both old enough to remember the burt reynolds movie, and your handle has always reminded me of.

scottish on my father's side here, finnish on my mother's.

whiskey has gotten me in some trouble, because to nobody's great surprise i'm a bit of a hothead. i don't touch 40-proof anymore.

if you make it out to the PNW e30 picnic next year, you'll recogn]

Forgive the laziness on the quote,but I hate when pics get quoted lol.

Water on a duck. Words don't really leave scars such as the events in my lifetime. I have the proverbial thick skin, as well as actual thick skin. You work with your hands for 40 years and your fingers get fat, blisters are non-existent from friction, and women say things like "you're a working man!"

My username is because I had a 3rd gen Firebird with a 3.1 V6. It was a lame duck. So I hodge podged a turbo kit together, but didn't know what tuning was about. Yeah, spin a rod bearing, come home after breaking concrete all day,laying on my back, sanding crank journals with shoelace. Go back out, and do it again. Rinse and repeat.

I've semi-retired from racing now. All the events happen on holidays and weekends. I worked at the shop all day, then work all weekend to support my family, even if it meant I had a 2hr stint in a race car. That's out of my system, and my last 2 of 4 kids are about to vacate nest.

Yeah, I am a polluter! Lol,well are.

I never had so much fun in my life as when I was enjoying motorsports. Yet, I drive a 12yr old ICE car that gets 36mpg. It has 270hp/400tq and my other 20yr old car gets 9mpg in the same conditions with 190hp/200tq.

[decay]

Extinction. I had to stretch the bottom graph, but wasn't going to put a lot of effort in it, so lined up 250mya in paint lol. The point if the past was to show extinctions =/= global temps unless it's just stupid hot.

I was tuning a MegaSquirt remotely, so was sitting at the desk for a little bit today, normally don't socialize at work.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event

Extinction vs 550m year timeline based on collective fossil record. We won't go there in this thread, fossils statistics are all over the place, fossils are an extremely rare occurrence, naturally.

this is where i've gotta disagree with you though. extreme heat cycles directly correlate with extinction events.

[decay]

Being a 3rd gen Irish immigrant born in greater Boston, 5'4" 140lb dude who transplanted to Florida land - chicken is probably at the bottom of the list of derogatory name calling. If we didn't invent whisky, we would rule the world.

Before you tell me the Scotts invented whiskey, it was Ireland that brought the distilling process to Scotland. Scotts and Irish get along great. We wear pleated flannel skirts and blow into a big bag of tubes, tap dancing in clogs.

arite don't take that joke too seriously. i was taking a shot at GM F-bodies; i have a dislike for them, not you. we're both old enough to remember the burt reynolds movie, and your handle has always reminded me of.

scottish on my father's side here, finnish on my mother's.

whiskey has gotten me in some trouble, because to nobody's great surprise i'm a bit of a hothead. i don't touch 40-proof anymore.

if you make it out to the PNW e30 picnic next year, you'll recognize me by the black kilt. :)

[ForcedFirebird]

Firechicken.

Being a 3rd gen Irish immigrant born in greater Boston, 5'4" 140lb dude who transplanted to Florida land - chicken is probably at the bottom of the list of derogatory name calling. If we didn't invent whisky, we would rule the world.

Before you tell me the Scotts invented whiskey, it was Ireland that brought the distilling process to Scotland. Scotts and Irish get along great. We wear pleated flannel skirts and blow into a big bag of tubes, tap dancing in clogs.

[ForcedFirebird]

^ back on topic as requested Firechicken, what does that 2nd graph represent? what's the data source?

i recognize elements, of course, but i'm not sure what it's telling us yet.

Extinction. I had to stretch the bottom graph, but wasn't going to put a lot of effort in it, so lined up 250mya in paint lol. The point if the past was to show extinctions =/= global temps unless it's just stupid hot.

I was tuning a MegaSquirt remotely, so was sitting at the desk for a little bit today, normally don't socialize at work.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event

Extinction vs 550m year timeline based on collective fossil record. We won't go there in this thread, fossils statistics are all over the place, fossils are an extremely rare occurrence, naturally.

[decay]

^ back on topic as requested Firechicken, what does that 2nd graph represent? what's the data source?

i recognize elements, of course, but i'm not sure what it's telling us yet.

[ForcedFirebird]

What do you mean by "in a room"? What are you getting at? Humor me. :)

If we were all sitting at a dinner table during an e30 meet, this discussion comes up, would you look around the room and say "Are you guys qanon?

Now that we addressed wittue feewings,

Let's get back to the topic, unless you just don't have anything useful to debate with?

[AlexJ]

What do you mean by "in a room"? What are you getting at? Humor me. :)

[MrBurgundy]

Link doesn't work anymore. Probably when the board migrated to the updated BBS. I Signatures are based on your settings. You'll either see them in every post, first post from each member, or you can hide them completely.

Oh that's good to know, I thought they were a thing of the past.

[ForcedFirebird]

Link doesn't work anymore. Probably when the board migrated to the updated BBS. Signatures are based on your settings. You'll either see them in every post, first post from each member, or you can hide them completely.

[MrBurgundy]

Don't take things so personal. It was an aside. There's literally a guy who has the letter Q quoted in his signature. It's a fair question.

HAHAHAHA that's so funny. You know that's a quoted letter from someone who just couldn't follow along? You can actually follow that quote to the exact place it was quoted from for some context.

I didn't know signatures could be seen as of lately?

Anyways. I laugh.

[ForcedFirebird]

Don't take things so personal. It was an aside. There's literally a guy who has the letter Q quoted in his signature. It's a fair question.

....and it's a quote from someone else, which could be any kind of inside joke that this forum has.

Don't sweat my feelings. Definitely wasn't personal, I called it exactly the way the text was posted:

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

<3 NASA

Compare w/ NOAA, IPC, and CRP, all of whom have their own models, all of whom have come to the same conclusions.

Also, is there some kinda QAnon population here?

Is that what you would say if you were standing in the room with the rest of the members here?

We going to get back to the topic, or are we going to worry about our feelings?

Again, let's discuss why you think humans are the root cause. I just posted a couple graphs, one showing that in the last 500m years the earth has spent twice as much time without ice caps than with. That guides me to believe under most circumstances polar caps are ABSENT in our geological history. We happen to live in a time where the earth is coming back from a freeze cycle (aka glacial period, ice age etc).

What about galactic cycles when discussing climate (Milankovitch)?

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/sites/defa...OCT%202021.pdf

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2948/m...arths-climate/

[roguetoaster]

Our power grid is extremely fragile, but connected cars can be part of the solution. Just as smart meters tied to HVAC have become typical, so will EVs. Stagger charging, feed the grid when needed.

Could utilities resist or otherwise sabotage something like that when they sense lost profit, of course. Then again, we already pay for basically 100% of the infrastructure as users, so why it's not better and utilities complain about upgrade costs is a bit of a mystery.