More evidence for legalization...

[priapism]

I'm torn because so many people view legal as being safe. "Well if it were dangerous it'd be illegal!" People are dumb. Maybe I have too little faith in humanity, but then again I lived in New Orleans for many years.

[mrsleeve]

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That has a lot to do with why I am very torn on this topic

[Dozyproductions]

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That has a lot to do with why I am very torn on this topic

then outlaw driving. Obviously a lot of people die from it and statistically it's unsafe to do yet it's still considered a privilege. You can't stand for civil liberties and hate the legalization of marijuana in the same sentence. That by definition is hypocrisy.

[joshh]

Come on now. You cannot punish the whole population because of a few idiots.

There is no "accurate test" for people driving completely high on pain killers either, but they get them.

I would rather people be high on the roads than innocent people getting gunned down in raids on the wrong house. Or dogs getting shot over 3.5 grams, while the whole family is terrorized by corporate thugs in uniform. Not to mention the millions of innocent people locked up and taken from their families JUST because they were trying to make a buck off of a HARMLESS plant.

Sorry, I am just very touchy when it comes to the UNCONSTITUTIONAL raping of my fellow humans over victimless "crimes"

Did you know that it is not illegal to be "high"? It is illegal to posses the plant... So right now, It is perfectly legal for me to drive down the road high, as long as I do not have any one me. Not saying I would... That is just how they got around the Constitution in the first place.

And that's exactly why I have problem with it and why I posted that. If it's illegal to drive while drunk/under the effects of medications (legal meds), then it should also illegal to drive while under the influence of weed and any other mind altering substance. The roads in America are already full of idiot drivers. We don't need more of them that are inebriated from any substances. As far as I know there is no test out there that a cop could use to test for pot intoxication during a traffic stop.
It's victimless till an idiot kills someone with their car because he was high from pot while driving.

[mrsleeve]

then outlaw driving. Obviously a lot of people die from it and statistically it's unsafe to do yet it's still considered a privilege. You can't stand for civil liberties and hate the legalization of marijuana in the same sentence. That by definition is hypocrisy.

where did driving come into my posts on this topic ??? While that is a key component to my feelings on this I feel much the same a josh does as well as the others that points that are similar to my feelings.

I fully admit I am bit hypocritical on this when you place it up against the rest of my core beliefs. I know I should be all for the total legalization of it all based on my general position on everything else. I just dont really know how to articulate my feeling on it well enough to jump into this one head long.


Exodus: How can it be perfectly legal for you to be driving while high or even be high from smoking pot?? That = possession by consumption. You know the same laws and interpretation of the law for Drunk Minors to be ticketed for possessing Alcohol even though there is not any left or a container around.

[herbivor]

My friend who is battling cancer, never used cannabis before until her doctor prescribed it to help her keep her food down. It saved her life. I personally think all drugs should not only be legal but also free. Doing so would completely destroy the drug industry and all the criminality that goes along with it. People who become addicts do so to compensate for some chemical imbalances in their brain, regardless of whether it's legal or illegal.

[z31maniac]

And that's exactly why I have problem with it and why I posted that. If it's illegal to drive while drunk/under the effects of medications (legal meds), then it should also illegal to drive while under the influence of weed and any other mind altering substance. The roads in America are already full of idiot drivers. We don't need more of them that are inebriated from any substances. As far as I know there is no test out there that a cop could use to test for pot intoxication during a traffic stop.
It's victimless till an idiot kills someone with their car because he was high from pot while driving.

A sobriety test, just like alcohol, a certain level of cognition is expected if you are behind the wheel.

[gwb72tii]

No, common sense doesn't because YEARS of evidence support legalization.

Look up stats in Amsterdam and now Portugal.

Amsterdam apparently has had enough of legal drugs
it is now or soon will be illegal for non residents to partake in the coffee shop culture

[z31maniac]

Amsterdam apparently has had enough of legal drugs
it is now or soon will be illegal for non residents to partake in the coffee shop culture

So? They want to end drug-tourism?

[kronus]

Amsterdam apparently has had enough of legal drugs
it is now or soon will be illegal for non residents to partake in the coffee shop culture

Yeah, they're doing that because americans keep coming over because hurr it's legal, getting fucked up beyond their means, and passing out all over Amsterdam. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the american DEA pushing them to do this, either.

[mrsleeve]

My friend who is battling cancer, never used cannabis before until her doctor prescribed it to help her keep her food down. It saved her life. I personally think all drugs should not only be legal but also free. Doing so would completely destroy the drug industry and all the criminality that goes along with it. People who become addicts do so to compensate for some chemical imbalances in their brain, regardless of whether it's legal or illegal.

Just a little side bar here....................... The how pray tell would there be any money there too fund the R&D of all these new drugs? Oh yeah thats right there wouldn't be any pharma, and we would still be blood letting and chanting to heal strep throat. Not to mention anything requiring surgery would be near death sentence. Lets go back to 1918 medical tech thats just what we want. *mutters and shakes head * Idealist hippies

[herbivor]

Just a little side bar here....................... The how pray tell would there be any money there too fund the R&D of all these new drugs? Oh yeah thats right there wouldn't be any pharma, and we would still be blood letting and chanting to heal strep throat. Not to mention anything requiring surgery would be near death sentence. Lets go back to 1918 medical tech thats just what we want. *mutters and shakes head * Idealist hippies

Maybe I should've been more clear in suggesting the current illegal recreational drugs like marijuana, coke, and heroin. I did not mean the pharmaceutical drugs. If the government used half the money it uses to fight drug trafficking to buy and grow drugs to distribute freely to clinics, I guarantee the drug market as we know it and the criminality that goes with it would stop overnight.

[mrsleeve]

Now that makes bit more sense. I just know your penchant for railing on big companies and those that make money by "preying on the poor"

[z31maniac]

We already have done the case study on banning drugs people want in this country.

Prohibition was pretty successful, no?

[Exodus_2pt0]

Way to throw any reasonable argument you had right out the window when you wrote this sentence. You would be driving while impaired and face similar consequences had you been driving down the road while drunk.

Way to take my quote out of context, the correct quote can be found below.

Did you know that it is not illegal to be "high"? It is illegal to posses the plant... So right now, It is perfectly legal for me to drive down the road high, as long as I do not have any one me. Not saying I would... That is just how they got around the Constitution in the first place.

I did not ruin my argument. The part about driving high was simply to point out the holes in the entire prohibition agenda.