More evidence for legalization...

[mrsleeve]

Way to take my quote out of context, the correct quote can be found below.




I did not ruin my argument. The part about driving high was simply to point out the holes in the entire prohibition agenda.

I have already pointed how your logic is wrong as well, But I see you have chosen to ignore that.

[Exodus_2pt0]

And that's exactly why I have problem with it and why I posted that. If it's illegal to drive while drunk/under the effects of medications (legal meds), then it should also illegal to drive while under the influence of weed and any other mind altering substance. The roads in America are already full of idiot drivers. We don't need more of them that are inebriated from any substances. As far as I know there is no test out there that a cop could use to test for pot intoxication during a traffic stop.
It's victimless till an idiot kills someone with their car because he was high from pot while driving.

You missed the point my friend.

It should be illegal to drive high. However since the whole plant is outlawed, there aren't any specific laws to it other than "don't touch, children".

To say something should be illegal because some people may use it inappropriately is very unethical.

Lets take away guns, hammers, saws, cars, knives, high voltage electrical devices, glass, alcohol, screwdrivers, plastic bags, ropes, ect. Anything that we can do to protect ourselves from well... ourselves.

Just watch TV and play videogames, the approved sources of entertainment!

Less rules, more adults.

[Exodus_2pt0]

Exodus: How can it be perfectly legal for you to be driving while high or even be high from smoking pot?? That = possession by consumption. You know the same laws and interpretation of the law for Drunk Minors to be ticketed for possessing Alcohol even though there is not any left or a container around.

Sorry, I missed that.

Show me the law for Marijuana that outlaws consumption. People do not get arrested for being high. No pot, no arrest, even if you are high.

Legalizing the plant could change that.

[Dozyproductions]

where did driving come into my posts on this topic ??? While that is a key component to my feelings on this I feel much the same a josh does as well as the others that points that are similar to my feelings.

I fully admit I am bit hypocritical on this when you place it up against the rest of my core beliefs. I know I should be all for the total legalization of it all based on my general position on everything else. I just dont really know how to articulate my feeling on it well enough to jump into this one head long.

my bad, it was in response to both of you guys being torn over the subject due to safety. That's why I mentioned driving because it's our way of life and is EXTREMELY dangerous but still legal and viewed as a privilege.

And to Pac and all of you i guess too but I will admit I do enjoy recreationally smoking marijuana. It definitely serves as a bias because obviously I have to have a certain mentality to be okay with it :) But if you guys know your history on MJ then you will see that it was banned because of a major demonizing PR campaign by companies that saw it as a threat to their products. So you could say I'm okay with it because I love my country and I can't stand for corrupted legislation.

I do also talk to a Christian pastor weekly about religion and have brought the subject of marijuana by saying, "how can religion see what god created as evil?" His answer was all things in moderation that don't break the commandments are being okay. For the argument of following the law of the land, if it's flawed in the first place then... right? ;)


What sucks about fighting for Marijuana rights is that it is way too easy put a bad connotation on it because people have been mind fucked into doing that by default for the past century. This is to protect all the money that is invested in perpetuating the WAR ON DRUGS.

So we have the D.A.R.E programs in our schools that spread misinformation and scary stories and so on and so forth. But this goes further into how we are as a society as a whole. We live and think more and more in absolutes so Marijuana has to be either really good or really bad.

[joshh]

A sobriety test, just like alcohol, a certain level of cognition is expected if you are behind the wheel.

The idea we have to rely on a cops opinion scares me. I've had friends be outright demonized by cops trying to bust them when they were innocent for driving intoxicated.

You missed the point my friend.

It should be illegal to drive high. However since the whole plant is outlawed, there aren't any specific laws to it other than "don't touch, children".

To say something should be illegal because some people may use it inappropriately is very unethical.

Lets take away guns, hammers, saws, cars, knives, high voltage electrical devices, glass, alcohol, screwdrivers, plastic bags, ropes, ect. Anything that we can do to protect ourselves from well... ourselves.

Just watch TV and play videogames, the approved sources of entertainment!

Less rules, more adults.

I understood what you meant. Problem there is in the new America where adults are children and you can sue for making a very bad choice of where you put your coffee cup (yes I'm bring that up yet again), we need to totally control it.
If Americans were truly responsible then I'd agree with you more on this specific idea. And if this nation took more of a personal responsibility view towards their own lives rather than living of off the government and other people's incomes. This is what I was referring to when mentioning our society is not the same as those Euro nations that are starting to legalize. It's going to happen one way or the other either way. I'd just like to see a clear test so pot heads can't get away with it.
Part of the problem is our legal system. We allow drunk drivers to easily get back on the road. As an example.

[z31maniac]

The idea we have to rely on a cops opinion scares me. I've had friends be outright demonized by cops trying to bust them when they were innocent for driving intoxicated.

Grasping at straws.

[ck_taft325is]

^ En Garde Mes ami ! (Did I come close with that spelling?idk)

I concur with what you say about things needing no benefit to be legal, that is very true.
I guess I just don't see a point in adding more things to the pile of "non beneficial but we will change all the laws we have about it anyway" crap.

I also agree that Alcohol is probably a potentially more hazardous substance, Tobacco too, I don't see why adding another poisonous substance to the list of "legal shit that is bad for you" is a good thing

I know I sound nonsensical to you, and anyone who is in favor of legalizing Weed, but I have my reasons for feeling how I do about it.

I do enjoy a good debate now and again on the issue (As I am sure you know ;)

Feelings about it and the reality of it are two very different things now, arn't they?

[joshh]

Grasping at straws.

Ignoring valid points because it's so much easier for you.

[STAGGERED M3]

The war on drugs is a big Scam.

[z31maniac]

Ignoring valid points because it's so much easier for you.

You have no valid point, only what you THINK is a better solution or what you THINK is a bad idea, in other words, cops using discretion.

[joshh]

You have no valid point, only what you THINK is a better solution or what you THINK is a bad idea, in other words, cops using discretion.

Thank you for pointing out why so many Americans rights are squashed. I'll be 100% for legalization when we can bust pot heads the same way we can drinkers that drive. With actual evidence as opposed to the error of a cop's judgement. Thanks again for playing Mr. Elitist.

[smooth]

Sorry, I missed that.

Show me the law for Marijuana that outlaws consumption. People do not get arrested for being high. No pot, no arrest, even if you are high.

Legalizing the plant could change that.

In regards to driving while under the influence of marijuana (or any other drug) in California:

http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc23152.htm

I noticed you're in Maryland, here is the relevant statute pertaining to possession and use of marijuana

http://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2010/criminal-law/title-5/subtitle-6/5-601/

If you read 3(ii) you'll notice a maximum penalty of $100 dollars for anyone convicted for the use of marijuana if the use is found to be medically necessary.


I would be surprised if your Maryland vehicle code is substantively different from California's vehicle code so you can look that up if you think it might be. Regardless of the states' individual laws regarding consumption of marijuana, all citizens fall under the auspices of the federal government's regulation of use and possession of scheduled drugs, which marijuana is controlled under.

I'm not sure who advised you that being high, or driving high, is legal but it is not.

If none of those statutes are convincing enough, rest assured that law enforcement have accurate means to test for presence of marijuana in one's blood stream and can and will test for it if suspected. Presence in one's blood stream is possession in a court of law but it won't go that far because you'll be arrested for driving while impaired and the fine for possession will be the least of your concerns.

The only thing that comes close to legal possession without a medical card, to my knowledge, is Oregon's allowance of its citizens to possess seeds.

[z31maniac]

Thank you for pointing out why so many Americans rights are squashed. I'll be 100% for legalization when we can bust pot heads the same way we can drinkers that drive. With actual evidence as opposed to the error of a cop's judgement. Thanks again for playing Mr. Elitist.

Do some research on marijuana and DWI laws, it's illegal and it's not hard to prove.

[cale]

Way to take my quote out of context, the correct quote can be found below.




I did not ruin my argument. The part about driving high was simply to point out the holes in the entire prohibition agenda.

How is the context relevant? You're trying to argue something which is clearly written out in law, most laws pertaining to DUI's have been written to include drugs. It IS illegal to drive while stoned.

[joshh]

Do some research on marijuana and DWI laws, it's illegal and it's not hard to prove.

I've already done that. Now it's your turn. It's a good read, you'll learn something that talks about exactly my point that you keep trying to evade.

Driving under the Influence of Marijuana
California Vehicle Code 23152(a) VC criminalizes driving under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. Proving that you’re DUI alcohol is definitely the easiest for the prosecution. Proving that you’re DUI drugs (DUID) becomes more difficult. Proving that you’re DUI marijuana or “dope driving” is perhaps the most challenging.

The primary ingredient in marijuana (also commonly referred to as pot, bud, weed, grass, dope, ganja, and Mary Jane) is delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol or “THC”. This chemical lingers in the body long after the effects of ingesting marijuana wear off.

The life span of THC ranges from hours to months, depending on a variety of issues, including:

The amount of marijuana you consumed,
The concentration of the THC, and
Your personal tolerance to marijuana.
All these factors make it difficult to prove that you were under the influence of marijuana at the time you were driving.

http://www.shouselaw.com/dui-marijuana.html

It's all subjective.