Sick Rantorum

[Dozyproductions]

Would you be kind enough to elaborate on the principles you believe to be uniquely Christian upon which our law is founded? Serious question.

thats a key word.

Btw, a higher power can mean just about anything. He could of been talking about the collective human consciousness that determines our reality! ;)

[FunfGan]

Some of the ones I can think of off the top of my head, may be debatable in the sense that some people think they are what you could call "natural" laws. And today, these are obviously not unique anymore, but when the Bible was written.

- Kill = illegal. Not just bad, but illegal.
- Punishment to be worthy, and not worse than the crime.
- Every person is born with inalienable rights.
- No discrimination.
- Justice/ not revenge.

As I said before, I am not arguing for Church control by any means, I believe there is a healthy separation of Church and State. I fail to see what is so wrong about a leader who has a deep set faith and good, true, founded morals. Now, a leader who wishes to change laws and pass legislation for the benefit of his own religion? Or to "subdue" other religions? In no way at all is that right. I'd like that to be clear, incase I wasn't clear before.

[Cliche Guevara]

Some of the ones I can think of off the top of my head, may be debatable in the sense that some people think they are what you could call "natural" laws. And today, these are obviously not unique anymore, but when the Bible was written.

- Kill = illegal. Not just bad, but illegal.
- Punishment to be worthy, and not worse than the crime.
- Every person is born with inalienable rights.
- No discrimination.
- Justice/ not revenge.

As I said before, I am not arguing for Church control by any means, I believe there is a healthy separation of Church and State. I fail to see what is so wrong about a leader who has a deep set faith and good, true, founded morals. Now, a leader who wishes to change laws and pass legislation for the benefit of his own religion? Or to "subdue" other religions? In no way at all is that right. I'd like that to be clear, incase I wasn't clear before.

Hahaha! Good shit.

Oh wait, you were serious... Not only is that not a Christian principle, it wasn't even a founding principle of our nation. Discrimination wasn't addressed until after the Civil War with the introduction of the 14th Amendment.

[gwb72tii]

Hahaha! Good shit.

Oh wait, you were serious... Not only is that not a Christian principle, it wasn't even a founding principle of our nation. Discrimination wasn't addressed until after the Civil War with the introduction of the 14th Amendment.

actually, ''created equal" specifically addresses your point.

also, curious as to what point you're making with your "cliche guevara"?

[FunfGan]

Hahaha! Good shit.

Oh wait, you were serious... Not only is that not a Christian principle, it wasn't even a founding principle of our nation. Discrimination wasn't addressed until after the Civil War with the introduction of the 14th Amendment.

Not a Christian principle? Besides the fact that we are called to love all, and there was no discrimination between Jew and Gentile for salvation? Or between the rich and poor? Drunkard, or a man with morals? Maybe you need to reconsider that statement. And not addressed?


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. One of the reasons our country was founded was to escape religion persecution, that a man could choose his own religion(or more sect of a "jesus" religion) in a stable, moral environment. But not accounting for a nation that needed to be indiscriminate, they would have been doing exactly what Britain did.

[Cliche Guevara]

actually, ''created equal" specifically addresses your point.

"Created equal" did nothing to protect citizens from discrimination. The only rights you were guaranteed were those enumerated in the Constitution and the original Bill of Rights. It wasn't until the 14th Amendment was ratified that equal protection of the law was guaranteed and that baseless discrimination became unconstitutional.

also, curious as to what point you're making with your "cliche guevara"?

That Che (whom I am not a fan of) has become nothing more than a mindless cliche used by 15 year old kids who want to rebel against mommy and daddy. Also, an old song by Against Me! from when they were still good.

@FunfGan: Gay marriage.

[gwb72tii]

well, yes it was codified into law with the 14th amendment, but the point was about christian values right?
the 14th amendment was necessary as a result of man's failings

[scabzzzz]

Matthew 7:12
12 “In everything, therefore, [a]treat people the same way you want [b]them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.


Ok Christians, so, fucking do it.

[FunfGan]

If only Christians were perfect... Oh wait, then that would go against Christianity :)

[mar1t1me]

Hell, it wasn't that long ago that Mormons believed the "negro race" to be the cursed descendants of Cain himself! In 1978 it was "revealed" to the Elders that blacks were humans, after all. Since most people think Mormon is a Christian religion, I wonder how this racist past will play should Romney win the nomination?

Since Christ would seem to have been lacking a discriminatory bent, how have so many Christians been able to believe that racial discrimination was supported by the Bible? Most of our supposedly Christian founders seemed to have no problem employing a subclass for labor, and other "needs".

Santorum has stated that "moral" law trumps secular law, but then the question is "who's morality"? His, obviously.

[FunfGan]

Hell, it wasn't that long ago that Mormons believed the "negro race" to be the cursed descendants of Cain himself! In 1978 it was "revealed" to the Elders that blacks were humans, after all. Since most people think Mormon is a Christian religion, I wonder how this racist past will play should Romney win the nomination?

Since Christ would seem to have been lacking a discriminatory bent, how have so many Christians been able to believe that racial discrimination was supported by the Bible? Most of our supposedly Christian founders seemed to have no problem employing a subclass for labor, and other "needs".

Santorum has stated that "moral" law trumps secular law, but then the question is "who's morality"? His, obviously.

I have never once heard of Mormonism being "Christian"? Its a heresy to the Christian church. Where do you see racial discrimination, and who thinks the way you claim they do? The only slavery in the Bible is that which consists of people from concurred nations. That was the only form of slavery around back then, so I'm confused by your whole entire post.

[mar1t1me]

I have never once heard of Mormonism being "Christian"?

It would still seem very much a contentious topic to this day. They use the King James Bible, which further adds to the confusion.

Its a heresy to the Christian church.

I would say it would appear the self-appointed guardians of The Right feel differently.

Where do you see racial discrimination, and who thinks the way you claim they do? The only slavery in the Bible is that which consists of people from concurred nations. That was the only form of slavery around back then, so I'm confused by your whole entire post.

Sorry for the confusion. I meant to infer that in my opinion, a nation founded on truly Christian, i.e. New Testament values, especially as you stated them would have had nothing to do with slavery. But I have to say the biblical slavery of the conquered was quite different from the commercial slavery of early America, although the sexual servitude was far less outright in colonial times than in Old Testament days where it was actually codified.

[FunfGan]

It would still seem very much a contentious topic to this day. They use the King James Bible, which further adds to the confusion.




I would say it would appear the self-appointed guardians of The Right feel differently.




Sorry for the confusion. I meant to infer that in my opinion, a nation founded on truly Christian, i.e. New Testament values, especially as you stated them would have had nothing to do with slavery. But I have to say the biblical slavery of the conquered was quite different from the commercial slavery of early America, although the sexual servitude was far less outright in colonial times than in Old Testament days where it was actually codified.

As it says in those links, people outside of Christianity consider it to be socially a part of Christianity, but theologically different. You seem to be at least somewhat educated, so I don't understand how this is so hard to understand: mormonism DENIES core beliefs of Christianity, ergo, there is no way for it to be a "Christian religion". Thats like saying Islam is the same as Christianity because the Islamics claim to be from Moses.

Now, regardless of whether they are true Christians is another matter. One would say yes at first, because they profess and accept Jesus as their one and only savior. On the other hand, they also worship an idol, and have added on to the Scriptures as is commanded to do neither. And again, one could also say that almost everyone has something or some one they put in front of God, so even some of the most sincere Christians have an idol before God. See why this is not worth debating online?

[BobombETA]

Rick Santorum: Obama apology for Koran burning is unacceptable"

[smooth]

omg what is this?

how do you guys have such dysfunctional logic. I swear that people have to be intentionally mixing up so much incorrect historical and biblical information that it almost has to be intentional.

not everyone goes to college but between the public libraries and wikipedia it's mind boggling the disinformation the same people post over and over and over in this section of r3v.