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    Incompetent People Too Ignorant to Know It

    A growing body of psychology research shows that incompetence deprives people of the ability to recognize their own incompetence. To put it bluntly, dumb people are too dumb to know it. Similarly, unfunny people don't have a good enough sense of humor to tell. This disconnect may be responsible for many of society's problems.
    With more than a decade's worth of research, David Dunning, a psychologist at Cornell University, has demonstrated that humans find it "intrinsically difficult to get a sense of what we don't know." Whether an individual lacks competence in logical reasoning, emotional intelligence, humor or even chess abilities, the person still tends to rate his or her skills in that area as being above average.
    Dunning and his colleague, Justin Kruger, formerly of Cornell and now at New York University, "have done a number of studies where we will give people a test of some area of knowledge like logical reasoning, knowledge about STDs and how to avoid them, emotional intelligence, etcetera. Then we determine their scores, and basically just ask them how well they think they've done," Dunning said. "We ask, 'what percentile will your performance fall in?'"
    The results are uniform across all the knowledge domains: People who actually did well on the test tend to feel more confident about their performance than people who didn't do well, but only slightly. Almost everyone thinks they did better than average. "For people at the bottom who are really doing badly — those in the bottom 10th or 15th percentile — they think their work falls in the 60th or 55th percentile, so, above average," Dunning told Life's Little Mysteries. The same pattern emerges in tests of people's ability to rate the funniness of jokes, the correctness of grammar, or even their own performance in a game of chess. "People at the bottom still think they're outperforming other people." [Graph]
    It's not merely optimism, but rather that their total lack of expertise renders them unable to recognize their deficiency. Even when Dunning and his colleagues offer study participants a $100 reward if they can rate themselves accurately, they cannot. "They're really trying to be honest and impartial," he said.
    If only we knew ourselves better. Dunning believes people's inability to assess their own knowledge is the cause of many of society's ills, including climate change denialism. "Many people don't have training in science, and so they may very well misunderstand the science. But because they don't have the knowledge to evaluate it, they don't realize how off their evaluations might be," he said.
    Moreover, even if a person has come to a very logical conclusion about whether climate change is real or not based on their evaluation of the science, "they're really not in a position to evaluate the science."
    Along the same lines, people who aren't talented in a given area tend not to be able to recognize the talents or good ideas of others, from co-workers to politicians. This may impede the democratic process, which relies on citizens having the capacity to identify and support the best candidate or policy.
    The ultimate takeaway of the research is the reminder that you really may not be as great as you think you are. And you might not be right about the things you believe you're right about. And if you try to joke about all this, you might not come off as funny as you think.
    A growing body of psychology research shows that incompetence deprives people of the ability to recognize their own incompetence. To put it bluntly, dumb people are too dumb to know it. Similarly, unfunny people don't have a good enough sense of humor to tell.


    i think this has some really far reaching implications. they mention climate change and democracy, but i think it has some big implications on religion. especially the line, "intrinsically difficult to get a sense of what we don't know." i believe that is why so many people reject science and atheism so much, especially evolution, that the earth is over 6000 years old, that the universe is unimaginably large, and that there are hundreds of billions of other systems, and quite a few more. many people simply cannot understand these concepts and therefore reject them.

    tl;dr: everyone arguing that climate change is not happening can gtfo. you're not qualified to make a judgement. ;)
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    Of course climate change exists, its always happening.


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      Funfgan?
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        Yeah, I've never said that the climate isn't changing, that would be dumb to say, but to say that humans are causing Climate Change is a completely different ball of wax.

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          Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
          Funfgan?
          Yes?

          Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber View Post
          Yeah, I've never said that the climate isn't changing, that would be dumb to say, but to say that humans are causing Climate Change is a completely different ball of wax.
          Bingo.


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            Originally posted by FunfGan View Post
            Yes?
            This thread could be about you based on your responses in the Santorum thread.
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              Though I've said countless times that its obvious its impossible to understand the universe? Thats what I'll leave it at.


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                what? it is obviously possible to understand the universe. we are growing our understanding every day.

                i forgot what thread this was posted in, so i'll post it again here. it's a really good listen.
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                  #9
                  Climate change is greatly accelerated by humans. We pumped all that carbon in our atmosphere, we have history of carbon levels dating thousands and thousands of years, and there is a direct correlation between these levels (which started during the industrial revolution) and the climate change.

                  I swear, republicans are like the only ones left on this earth that ignore the facts..
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                    Originally posted by FunfGan View Post
                    Though I've said countless times that its obvious its impossible to understand the universe? Thats what I'll leave it at.
                    Yeah, what we know now, compared to 60 years ago?

                    We know at what rate the universe expands.. Million of light years away..
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                      This effect is obvious when you get into any field where there is a LOT of information and knowledge to learn. Take a freshman in computer science or electrical engineering, ask him how much he knows about it. Will most likely be 50/50 or some other reasonably high number. But by the 3rd or forth year you start to realize how big the iceberg really is and that you have hardly covered the tip of it.
                      This is usually accompanied by some modesty, because anyone who says they know everything about computers obviously doesn't realize that there is more to know than could fit into one man's mind.
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                        Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber View Post
                        Yeah, I've never said that the climate isn't changing, that would be dumb to say, but to say that humans are causing Climate Change is a completely different ball of wax.
                        Great job, Mr. Climate Scientist. It's amazing how thick some people can be.

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                          Originally posted by Wiglaf View Post
                          This effect is obvious when you get into any field where there is a LOT of information and knowledge to learn. Take a freshman in computer science or electrical engineering, ask him how much he knows about it. Will most likely be 50/50 or some other reasonably high number. But by the 3rd or forth year you start to realize how big the iceberg really is and that you have hardly covered the tip of it.
                          This is usually accompanied by some modesty, because anyone who says they know everything about computers obviously doesn't realize that there is more to know than could fit into one man's mind.
                          yeah, that was my first thought when i read the article.

                          it always blows my mind that the more i learn about a subject the more i realize how little i actually know.
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                            #14
                            I didn't know they needed a study to point out the obvious. I almost thought this was a joke article like from the Onion.
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                              Ha! I thought it was an onion article at first too.

                              I realize the human impact on climate change, I choose to be selfish and ignore it as it cramps my lifestyle. I guess this makes me a snob as I think everybody should get some form of formal education or specialized training. Oh yeah, and do the math on greenhouse gasses.
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