Bill Nye has an important message for America

[Cabriolet]

Fixed, please don't put creation in the same sentance as evolution as though it is an equally viable explaination.

whether or not you like it, evolution, creationism and relativity are all theories not proofs or laws. you don't have to like but you know im not lying.

[Bill 84 318i]

whether or not you like it, evolution, creationism and relativity are all theories not proofs or laws. you don't have to like but you know im not lying.

1) Not theories in the same sense as a scientific theory.
2) Even dismissing that, his point was that they're not on the same general level of validity.
3) You forgot about the Flying Spaghetti Monster that has blessed us all with this earth.



Can't wait to regret posting!

[cale]

whether or not you like it, evolution, creationism and relativity are all theories not proofs or laws. you don't have to like but you know im not lying.

See* the poster above me, and I did not say creation was an impossibility did I? No, so don't put words in my mouth or make it seem as though I'm rejecting its possibility because of other beliefs I hold. It is not on the same level as relativity or evolution as a valid scientific theory...it's hardly even science.

[joshh]

OR

I got what you were trying to say, but was letting you know you aren't communicating it very well.

Is today "take everything personally" day?

Sounds like I did well if you understood it. For you it's make everything personal day. Telling you to eat shit isn't personal. Did you take it that way?

[herbivor]

whether or not you like it, evolution, creationism and relativity are all theories not proofs or laws. you don't have to like but you know im not lying.

See below. In the case of evolution and all scientific theories see definition #1, #3 and #5. Those are the implied definitions of scientific theory. You are confusing scientific theory with the definition #2 and #6, but that's incorrect when applied to scientific theory.
Definition of THEORY

1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

2: abstract thought : speculation

3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>

4a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>

5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>

6a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : conjecture c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

[Farbin Kaiber]

Thanks herbivor, now I can sleep soundly tonight.

[z31maniac]

The Old Testament was replaced with a New Testament. Your point?

Oh, and you should reread the New Testament.

[Kershaw]

thank you herb.

the definition of a scientific theory being used incorrectly is one of my biggest peeves about creationists arguing against evolution. "well it's just a theory." i simply cannot yell loud enough, "NO MOTHERFUCKER, YOU ARE WRONG."

[b*saint]

Evolution is just a theory.

[KenC]

To blindly accept evolution as a fact and call yourself a man of science is purely contradictory. The scientific method states that:
Create a hypothesis, make predictions, test those predictions by experiments or further observations and modify the hypothesis with your results, repeat steps until there are no discrepancies between theory and experiment or observation.
So at best it can be a theory with a lot of evidence. But if you blindly say it is a fact you are no better than a Christian blindly believing in creation.
The beauty of a theory is that it can change and adapt as new evidence is found. Evolution and creation need to be treated like the theory of relativity, to give guidance but not to be the end all be all.

There is no possible way to prove evolution as 100% fact. Even if all of the evidence we have suggests is without any deviations, it still can't prove it as scientific law. You can't observe it happening in realtime.

People aren't blindly following evolution. There is plenty of evidence to suggest it as the best possible theory. The difference between creationism and evolution is that the latter has evidence to support it. I'll change my mind when somebody digs up a fossil of a T-Rex with a saddle on it.

[rhE-30]

My version of what Threehz is saying in the post below.

[Threehz]

I believe you can watch evolution happen in real time pretty easily. There have been many experiments on the small scale with insects and bacterium whose life-span is a fraction of our own. When generations cycle so quickly in these cases you can watch as evolution happens and changes occur in these organisms.

Throughout the world, in every part of the world, evolution happens and is happening, sometimes fast, sometimes extremely slowly.

Take antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria as an example, or how the flu virus changes so often and new vaccines need to be created all the time.

Anyways, lots of good arguing going on here, but..

Is there anyone here who actually denies that evolution is real?

[cale]

Oh yes there are, been in a few debates with them in the past. Anxiously awaiting their arrival in this thread.

[Cliche Guevara]

It's not a debate, they just spew misinformation that we get to sift through and correct. It's kinda like arguing with 9/11 truthers.

[KenC]

I believe you can watch evolution happen in real time pretty easily. There have been many experiments on the small scale with insects and bacterium whose life-span is a fraction of our own. When generations cycle so quickly in these cases you can watch as evolution happens and changes occur in these organisms.

Throughout the world, in every part of the world, evolution happens and is happening, sometimes fast, sometimes extremely slowly.

Take antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria as an example, or how the flu virus changes so often and new vaccines need to be created all the time.

Anyways, lots of good arguing going on here, but..

Is there anyone here who actually denies that evolution is real?

Isn't that just proving genetic mutation though?

I believe in species evolution completely... just playing Devil's Advicate.