Health Care Law Massacred in Supreme Court

[Farbin Kaiber]

Ok so would you be happier then if there was a single payer system and everyone was just taxed? Would that make you happier?

This is a compromise between government and free market.

No, I'd be happier if people were required to provide for themselves. This is not a compromise between government and free market, it is a blatant maneuver to instill further Governmental control of a citizens daily life. In 50 years, people will be bitching about their low level of governmental medical care, just as senior citizens are bitching about the struggle of living on a meager Social Security check/stipend today. Bottom line, you should prepare throughout life for the potentialities, as opposed to expecting Uncle Sam to provide for you, and living all willy-nilly without thought of the future because there is a safety net that someone decided to build under you on the backs of others labors.

[LBJefferies]

I prefer not to do it on the backs of others!

It already is though. All of human society is partially on the backs of others. I understand your argument, and I actually agree with you. In order for society to exist though, there is always going to be some acceptable shared risk within that society. It is a fundamental part of society. I have recognized this, and reconciled it with my beliefs, and I believe that access to affordable medical treatment falls under the category of acceptable shared risk.

[Farbin Kaiber]

h0lmes, you've still got a long way to go, you are walking down the right path, but you still don't REALLY get it. I commend you for coming this far, but you are only a quarterway around the block.

[LBJefferies]

No, I'd be happier if people were required to provide for themselves. This is not a compromise between government and free market, it is a blatant maneuver to instill further Governmental control of a citizens daily life. In 50 years, people will be bitching about their low level of governmental medical care, just as senior citizens are bitching about the struggle of living on a meager Social Security check/stipend today. Bottom line, you should prepare throughout life for the potentialities, as opposed to expecting Uncle Sam to provide for you, and living all willy-nilly without thought of the future because there is a safety net that someone decided to build under you on the backs of others labors.

I agree. But please see my response to Vedubin.

[LBJefferies]

h0lmes, you've still got a long way to go, you are walking down the right path, but you still don't REALLY get it. I commend you for coming this far, but you are only a quarterway around the block.

Farbin, I DO get it. Believe me alright, I REALLY fucking get it.

[mrsleeve]

To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.

[Farbin Kaiber]

It already is though. All of human society is partially on the backs of others. I understand your argument, and I actually agree with you. In order for society to exist though, there is always going to be some acceptable shared risk within that society. It is a fundamental part of society. I have recognized this, and reconciled it with my beliefs, and I believe that access to affordable medical treatment falls under the category of acceptable shared risk.

The acceptable shared risk should be limited to financing the protection of our boarders, and protection of a common form of financial transfer between parties. Health care is a benifit of the fruits of ones labor, not a basic human right like the protection of not being locked in a cell, or placed under undue financial burden at birth without choice.

[LBJefferies]

The acceptable shared risk should be limited to financing the protection of our boarders

This is absolutely no different than medical treatment. Both are about safety and well being and survival. They are virtually identical.

[2761377]

Taxation was never utilized to require one to purchase ANY product nor service, until today.

It was used to tax one upon the products or services they chose to purchase or partake in/of.

well, except for the Stamp Act of 1765 which taxed every official document beyond the fee for service.

those that think today's decision validates the Prez should realize Chief Justice Roberts has merely focused on the duplicity of Obama, who promised not to raise taxes on the poor.

Calling the mandate a tax is shrewd political rhetoric- but only if the repubs are smart enough to use it.

[joshh]

Sweet now the government can tax me if I don't buy a Chevy Volt by XX time.

[Farbin Kaiber]

This is absolutely no different than medical treatment. Both are about safety and well being and survival. They are virtually identical.

No.


That's like saying creation/protection of a monetary device to facilitate the transfer of value is the same as operation of the stock market is virtually identical.

[rwh11385]

think about it for a minute charles
the democrats have accomplished all they wanted and more. where does this ruling get out the vote for the dems, as opposed to conservatives who hate the mandate?
romney pledged to give every state and exemption on day one if elected, then work to get rid of it.

To agree with Charlie, do you ever think or just type whatever you hear Rush say?

I can't see much difference from ACA and this: http://healthcarereform.procon.org/s..._americans.pdf

But hey, enjoy your motivated reasoning (aka being a sheep).

[2761377]

another subtle dig for the Obama blame gamers- Bush did it - as in nominate Roberts.

the politics of this are awesome.

never mind the 'substance'. plessy v. ferguson comes to mind, especially when Prez Romney nominates 2 to a repub majority.

[gwb72tii]

do you not see what the agenda of obama and his friends is?
poverty today is about where it was under LBJ, yet we spend about 40% more on things like food stamps. the fucking government advertises for people to sign up and get on the food stamp program.
50% of americans pay no tax
healthcare is going to be provided by the feds
o man wants all this. who us going to vote for cutting off their own food, healthcare or for paying taxes? nobody once you're a slave of the feds

[tjts1]

Sweet now the government can tax me if I don't buy a Chevy Volt by XX time.

I hope someday science discovers a way to harness the limitless supply of supidity from you head to benefit human kind.

do you not see what the agenda of obama and his friends is?
poverty today is about where it was under LBJ, yet we spend about 40% more on things like food stamps. the fucking government advertises for people to sign up and get on the food stamp program.
50% of americans pay no tax
healthcare is going to be provided by the feds
o man wants all this. who us going to vote for cutting off their own food, healthcare or for paying taxes? nobody once you're a slave of the feds

See above.