Is there a god?

[LBJefferies]

read the next one
its probably worse

I now realize that you were ripping on religion, which I approve of. So I deleted my post. :)

[WhyNot]

This is the worst attempt at sarcasm I have ever seen.

read the next one
its probably worse

[WhyNot]

But those weren't real Catholics, bro.

you cant spell 'cult' with out catholic.
you sound learn where it originated by who and when and why
its just mans control over man
like voodoo
if you believe saying 20 hail anybody makes up for your admitted wrong doings its because thats what you want to believe.
hey i just killed some people but i gave the priest some money and rubbed some beads and im ok now...wonderful. lets go beat up some fags now so i can prove to myself that im not gay. bada bing bada boom.

[WhyNot]

If there is a God and he's truly forgiving and benevolent he won't give a shit whether or not I believe in him. Live a good life and don't worry about it.

yes, its all about you and what you think is okay. even when thats a moving target. no id or ego there at all, this is true humility.

If he created me with an inquisitive mind yet condemns me for questioning then he's not a God I want to worship.

yes again, although i dont think there is any mentioning of a questioning mind. so now you're off the hook to carry on anyway you see fit. brilliant circular reasoning. and lets not start questioning ourselves. hey if god doesnt like it let him go bother someone/something else he created. you dont have time for his little stupid games, you got real shit to do.

[slaterd]

Hey guys just checking in on the progress. Still getting nowhere? Okay, I'll be back later.

[Cliche Guevara]

Another part of my beliefs, is do your thing bro. I don't hate on atheist or people who believe in another religion. I'm just saying for me, it's a good moral guideline, how can you dispute it. Just read the 10 commandments and other beliefs. Where would I be without Catholicism, possibly the same exact place? It also goes by the morals inflicted by my uprising and my parents, some people don't have that opportunity so they look to religion for guidance. I can't answer where I would be, who knows...

The bible condones genocide, slavery, and numerous other horrible acts. Sure, there are a few good morals to live by, but it would be ridiculous to assert that those couldn't be reasoned without the bible.

ah, the hubris of a man who thinks he knows these things. man's knowledge of the universe is comparable to a blind-from-birth man's understanding of the color red.

good luck with that.

Are you going anywhere with this?

[cale]

Another part of my beliefs, is do your thing bro. I don't hate on atheist or people who believe in another religion. I'm just saying for me, it's a good moral guideline, how can you dispute it. Just read the 10 commandments and other beliefs. Where would I be without Catholicism, possibly the same exact place? It also goes by the morals inflicted by my uprising and my parents, some people don't have that opportunity so they look to religion for guidance. I can't answer where I would be, who knows...

I'm not disputing, simply asking why you find it necessary or desirable to supposedly get your morality from religion when yours is likely no different than mine which I acquired through living in a society. I can't justify having a huge aspect of my life based on the unnecessary and have a hard time understanding why others do...which is why I ask.

[2761377]

Why? You seem to be referencing the time before the big bang, but before the big bang there was no time. Remember, the theory of relativity shows us that time and space are connection. Before the big bang there simply wasn't space and, in keeping with relativity, there was no time either.

ah, the hubris of a man who thinks he knows these things. man's knowledge of the universe is comparable to a blind-from-birth man's understanding of the color red.

good luck with that.

[Rsully70sev]

Is that religion necessary though to be the foundation of morality, or do we already possess the accepted "good" morality of our society? You claim it's your foundation, so without it what do you think you would be doing or how do you think you'd behave?

Large numbers of non-theists live contributing and peaceful lives without any religion to guide them or set moral standards. Why is it needed for you and not me? A foundation isn't of much use if it doesn't provide anything extra.

Another part of my beliefs, is do your thing bro. I don't hate on atheist or people who believe in another religion. I'm just saying for me, it's a good moral guideline, how can you dispute it. Just read the 10 commandments and other beliefs. Where would I be without Catholicism, possibly the same exact place? It also goes by the morals inflicted by my uprising and my parents, some people don't have that opportunity so they look to religion for guidance. I can't answer where I would be, who knows...

[Fourbanger]

If there is a God and he's truly forgiving and benevolent he won't give a shit whether or not I believe in him. Live a good life and don't worry about it.

If he created me with an inquisitive mind yet condemns me for questioning then he's not a God I want to worship.

[Kershaw]

I do drugs, party, swear, have casual sex, but at the end of the day I still consider myself to be a good Catholic.

as long as you repent, you're a good catholic.

[cale]

Is that religion necessary though to be the foundation of morality, or do we already possess the accepted "good" morality of our society? You claim it's your foundation, so without it what do you think you would be doing or how do you think you'd behave?

Large numbers of non-theists live contributing and peaceful lives without any religion to guide them or set moral standards. Why is it needed for you and not me? A foundation isn't of much use if it doesn't provide anything extra.

[Rsully70sev]

.....I'm a Catholic. I find it to be a good foundation of morals for any human being-that applies to most religions. I went to a Catholic school for 12 years, studied it, have my agreements and objections. I see it as a guideline of living a good life, do I follow and take each word literally? In no way at all. I do drugs, party, swear, have casual sex, but at the end of the day I still consider myself to be a good Catholic. I don't believe every "rule" needs to be followed, I see them more as guidelines.
........Am I sorry for the things I do? Most of the time no, however the bible wasn't meant to be taken literally. I absolutely hate people who go overboard with this shit in their word for word followings. I accept controversial topics such as homosexuality, and believe even they can lead strong, moral lives in God's eyes. I don't go to church every Sunday, but I do take my time to pray to God, and my deceased relatives. It gives me a chance to clear my mind, and have a peaceful experience one on one in my mind and to feel a connection with a supreme being. Church is a very humbling and relaxing environment, I make sure to attend all the major holidays such as Christmas, etc and I always find it to be fulfilling.
......Do I believe God exist, YES. Do I believe Jesus was the son of God, YES. Do I believe in creationism, NO. Do I believe Jesus performed miracles, not really. I'm a down to earth person, I believe in science and what we can prove, does this make me a bad Catholic? I don't think so

[Cliche Guevara]

Fourbanger, R3V is not big enough for two members to have a picture of their cylinder head as their avitar. lol

I honestly thought you two were the same poster until I got to this part.

[iXe<30]

:up:

That's what they like to think.

im not saying that no god is the only answer either just open mindednes ftw..