Announcement of candidacy

[z31maniac]

reduce military spending to 25% of current and the chinese will occupy the phillipines within months, while the NKPA rolls to pusan.

Tell Glenn Beck "Hello," the next time you have him over for dinner.

[Herr Faust Schinken]

I'd vote for you except for the drugs part I'm ok with people smoking weed but not that other stuff

[z31maniac]

I'd vote for you except for the drugs part I'm ok with people smoking weed but not that other stuff

Why?

[Morrison]

Herbivor, I completely support everything you put down and would gladly incorporate those concepts into my vision. We could probably find a way to come together on the tax code. I know my ideas are radical, but I'm old enough to remember a time when the word radical meant that something was awesome.

I'd like to take a minute to address Sleeve's gun questions. I myself am not a gun owner so I appreciate any insight into how the typical gun owner may use them and why several may be needed. I'm not trying to "stick it" to law abiding gun owners. Rather I'd like to stick it to non law abiding gun owners. By my wording, "two of each type", I'd originally been thinking two machine guns, two shotguns, two rifles, two pistols, etc. But taking into account the "classes" within each type and why they may be beneficial for certain circumstances, I will gladly consent to two of each caliber or guage within each type. You can still even re-create the scene from The Matrix where Neo pulls out gun after gun from under his black trench coat, since they appear to be of several different types as far as I can tell. Tell you what, I could probably even concede that a "collector of antique guns" may wish to and have a legitimate reason to own several of any given caliber. Therefore I'll allow unlimited ownership of guns older than 50 years of age.

I'm a little fuzzy on things like tanks though. I mean on one hand they're really nothing more than a heavily armored piece of construction equipment with a really big gun on top. But they can be pretty dangerous too. Still as long as long as law abiding citizens own them, they shouldn't pose a threat. And their cost combined with difficulty to store, maintain, etc. should help keep hoarding of them to a minimum. But if the NRA pools its money and puts in an order for 50 tanks then I've got to worry. I'll have to get back to you if you're wondering about stuff bigger than 50 Cal I guess.

To address the tax code question, no, I would not tax the square of your income, that's not mathematically possible. The percentage would increase exponentially as a function of income - up to a max of 70% at 1 billion and above. At that point the curve would feature a soft rolloff to a linearly flat line rather than a hard shelf. This is still lower than the highest point in our nations past which was 91% for the top earners and would mirror the top bracket under President Kennedy.

[z31maniac]

Rather I'd like to stick it to non law abiding gun owners.

I don't even need to read any further.

If people already don't follow the laws (they are felons) why do you think imposing MORE laws will suddenly make them adhere?

[mrsleeve]

I don't even need to read any further.

If people already don't follow the laws (they are felons) why do you think imposing MORE laws will suddenly make them adhere?

This was discussed 300 years ago by an Italian, Cesare Beccaria in his "common place book"

False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, the most important of the code, will respect the less important and arbitrary ones, which can be violated with ease and impunity, and which, if strictly obeyed, would put an end to personal liberty... and subject innocent persons to all the vexations that the guilty alone ought to suffer? Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. They ought to be designated as laws not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts, and not by thoughtful consideration of the inconveniences and advantages of a universal decree- Cesare Beccaria

[2761377]

Tell Glenn Beck "Hello," the next time you have him over for dinner.

weak- surely you can do better

[Morrison]

Did y'all miss the part where I said you can still do this:




And no, I'm not naive enough to think that passing any sort of limitation would make "bad guys" act good. But you've got to give law enforcement something to enforce. I mean you can't enforce a law that doesn't exist can you. That's why we already have a federal law stating that felons may not own guns, with few exceptions for anti-trust and business related types of felonies. Do you agree or disagree with this? We can't expect them to follow that law, but I think it's nice to have something to enforce.

By Cesare's logic, there is no reason to deny Iran a nuclear weapon if they so choose to posess it for their own protection. Or do you think he only supports limiting the freedoms of people in other countries?

In review, my proposed limits in no way limit your ability to defend yourself or enjoy your hobby. They are there merely to prevent the large purchase amounts by law-abiding citizens with subsequent sales to criminal enterprises. It happens. It's a loophole. I want to close it. Capisce?

[mrsleeve]

Your not getting it. we dont want to do that.

Yes Iran should have WMD's but they are crazy and have openly called for the destruction of their neighbor so your analogy is like giving that mental patient (they cant have guns either) that was just released from the hospital an AR.


No Iran should not have the bomb, because they are crazy (the leadership any way) , not because I think rights only apply to the USA, and are ok to be restricted in other countries.

its not a loop hole, its a view that has been pushed by the anti gun camp for years and you have bought into hook line and sinker that the numbers are not there to prove. So it had to be fabricated, and the current administration has gotten caught with their fingers in the pot trying to do.

[2761377]

"They are there merely to prevent the large purchase amounts by law-abiding citizens with subsequent sales to criminal enterprises. It happens. It's a loophole. I want to close it. Capisce?"

it called 'straw sale' and is already a felony, not a loophole. except when eric holder authorizes it then it's policy.

[Morrison]

It's only a felony if you can prove it. How do I know what Sleeve is going to do with the 400 AR's he wants to buy from my store? I just want to make money, remember. (assuming I'm a gun store owner in this scenario).

[mrsleeve]

If i have bought more than 5 guns from your store, by now you know me fairly well. Anyone coming in wanting to buy that much shit at one time is going to be turned away by most FFL's anyway. They dont have to sell to you, and wont if they think its a suspicious buy as it puts their FFL and lively hood at stake

[z31maniac]

It's only a felony if you can prove it. How do I know what Sleeve is going to do with the 400 AR's he wants to buy from my store? I just want to make money, remember. (assuming I'm a gun store owner in this scenario).

Why let people buy alcohol, they may want to get drunk!
Then they may drive drunk!

Don't get on a plane, someone may crash it!


It's sad that American's are so afraid nowadays.

[herbivor]

It's sad that American's are so afraid nowadays.

Especially the ones that buy guns for protection. Why else would you feel the need to protect yourself with a lethal weapon other than out of fear?

[e30e]

Especially the ones that buy guns for protection. Why else would you feel the need to protect yourself with a lethal weapon other than out of fear?

Cause hunting bambi with my ar15, my uzi, and m16 is so much fun....dur dur dur 'merica!

Plus side bambi tastes great with a fuck ton of lead in it!