Chick-fil-a

[Jean]

As we were driving to get some sushi last night, I had no idea why local Chick-fil-a parking lot was sooo fucking full that the cars were waiting out on the street to get in!

Now it all makes sense....wow.

Back to more important things:

^ I approve

[rwh11385]

Not good for business at all, keep it to yourself. I'm surprised "In and Out" hasn't been brought up yet. They're notorious for being a religious, outspoken restaurant-even printing bible verses on their cups, but they never address non Christian ideals. I'm SURE the owner doesn't support gay marriage, but he has not, and will never openly admit it so they're off the radar. It was foolish for Chic-fil-a to be that forward. (At least business wise, I'm glad I don't have stock in them lol)

Good points, but especially this one^.

To support that with data, here's how CFA's perception to the public has changed since the article.

http://www.brandindex.com/article/chick-fil-takes-hit-fast-food-eaters

Chick-Fil-A's perception with fast food eaters nationwide has taken a significant hit in most regions of the US, including the South where most of its restaurants are located, since president and COO Dan Cathy's perceived anti-gay remarks on July 16th.

In the Midwest, Chick-Fil-A's perception jumped up for a week and has tapered off to where it was before the interview was published.
As the controversy has snowballed, the company's overall consumer brand health with fast food eaters has dropped to its lowest levels since at least mid-August 2010.

It is also the first time Chick-Fil-A has sunk below the fast food consumer perception average of the top QSR restaurant chains.

Chick-Fil-A was one of the top five best perceived QSR restaurant chains in the U.S. over the first half of this year, according to YouGov BrandIndex data.
Chick-Fil-A and the Top National QSR Sector were measured with YouGov BrandIndex's Index score, the company's flagship brand health measurement. The Index score is an average of key scores measuring quality, impression, value, reputation, satisfaction and willingness to recommend. All measurements were filtered for adults 18+ who have eaten fast food in the past month. The Top National QSR sector average includes such brands as Pizza Hut, Arby's, Papa John's, Domino's, Taco Bell, KFC, McDonald's, Burger King, and Long John Silver's.

On July 16th, the day the Baptist Press published its Dan Cathy interview, Chick-Fil-A's Index score was 65, a very substantial 19 points above the Top National QSR Sector average score that day of 46.

Four days later, Chick-Fil-A had fallen to 47 score, three points below the Top National QSR Sector average score of 50. This past Wednesday, Chick-Fil-A had a 39 score compared to the Top National QSR Sector average score of 43.

YouGov BrandIndex respondents in the South took Chick-Fil-A from an Index score of 80 on July 16th to its current 44. Chick-Fil-A's biggest drop took place in the Northeast, where it went from 76 to 35, a difference of 41 points.

[Rsully70sev]

WOW I missed out on a lot.

I grew up in Palm Springs, CA. A place with a higher LGBT population percentage than the oft assumed "Gay Capitol of the World" San Fransisco.

QFT. I visited my millionaire great uncle there once, 9/10 throughout the city, not just in sections like SF.

Also, why won't my laptop charge? :(

I literally pissed.

So, are you saying that they aren't normal? And are you saying that they should be treated differently?

And your solution is a separate but "equivalent" term??

My neighbors have 3 gay sons. All born 1-2 years apart, grew up in the same environment, raised by the same parents. Was it the parenting that influenced this, or did they just happen to have some indescribable genetic code that caused this?

...They're lucky this happened here, could you imagine this happening in the wrong family lol...

Constitutional Equality does not mean you get to change the meanings of words to make things more equal. Maybe we need to abolish the word Marriage, and use two different words to describe either Heterosexual, or Homosexual contractual couplings.

"If two men want to open up to each other and share a love more sweet and exquisite than anything a man and woman could ever find together, then that's their problem, but don't call it marriage." ....LOL quoted from American Dad, he hit the nail on the head on that one.

So, you are saying you support Human & Pets/Livestock/Exotic Animals rights to form a contractual union?

A little excessive. We're still talking humans here, relating gay marriage to that of a man + pig, man + horse, etc is just ridiculous.

i wasnt surprised at his personal view. he may be a bigot, but that's his view.

i am surprised he went on the record and said it though. that's not good business.

Not good for business at all, keep it to yourself. I'm surprised "In and Out" hasn't been brought up yet. They're notorious for being a religious, outspoken restaurant-even printing bible verses on their cups, but they never address non Christian ideals. I'm SURE the owner doesn't support gay marriage, but he has not, and will never openly admit it so they're off the radar. It was foolish for Chic-fil-a to be that forward. (At least business wise, I'm glad I don't have stock in them lol)

Why does religion always get brought into a political discussion. I'm 22, white, and have a bangin german girlfriend. I also have 2 of the most flamboyant gay friends EVER! The thing is though is they are some of the best friends I've ever had. I think people are really afraid of gay people because they think after a while of being around them they'll start to act gay too. Not true.
The advantages of having a gay friend when you have a girlfriend:
1.You don't have to listen to her complain all the time about "Sheela" at work everynight. Yes
2. Your gay friend and her will constantly give her makeovers and will make her look fucking HOT! Yes
3. You can get some fashion tips if you're stylishly retarded. Yes
4. A free home decorator is valuable. Yes
5. If you're single GAY FRIENDS MAKE THE BEST WINGMEN!!!!!!!!!x100
I don't see what the big deal is about gay marriage. Let them be happy, it's their constitutional right to chase the ideals of happiness.
Lastly, Yes. I could care less if "Bob and Fred live next door to me. It just means they will have a well taken care of house, a mowed lawn, trash cans won't be out all week, cool cars most likely, and inevitably my property value will increase.

AND, Chick-Fil-A didn't say FUCK GAY PEOPLE, they just don't agree with it.

qft. Ain't no queer hater makin my fried delicacy! Only open minded, tolerant men can truly man a fryer.

dude in no way does your argument for race have anything to do with sexual preference.

To some it might. I don't believe being gay is a choice much like being black isn't a choice. The argument could definitely be presented well, I just don't care enough to ramble on.

Wonderful LOL.

My personal belief, they are a private entity, they can carry what ever beliefs they want. In and Out does the same thing, they're very outspoken and religious, but flourish by avoiding arguments like this. Who gives a fuck, they make good chicken, however it was out of line to be that blunt in the interview IMO as a business. Who cares anyways, they won't lose business because gays don't eat fast food.

[rwh11385]

How does that make him feel..?
Well now. I spoke with him tonight actually over a nice #7 and a side of potato fries; I'm one of his only real friends at CFA, and he told me it doesn't affect him as much as it saddens him that people don't even know the truth behind why it's happening. He can let bygones be bygones, but what hurts him the most is when people don't even have a valid reason for opposition. Who's to blame for that..?

While I'd really be surprised if a manager told you the honest truth about how he felt about his employer while at work... that's interesting that you expect him to share feedback to a "work friend".

What truth don't people know? About what happening?

Why isn't refusing to subsidize WinShape contributions a valid reason to boycott?

Well.. Who else is in charge of "informing" the population of what so many call "unbiased news"? I think you watch enough of it to figure that out. Ill leave you to it since your so familiar with this writing style of "fill in the blanks"

Watch what? The news? I don't have cable. People should actually read source information instead of someone's opinion, like looking at WinShape's IRS form instead of believing misinformation about it.

What are you talking about? If you are going to try to argue... or whatever you are trying to do, at least make it complete.

It's obvious your mind is made up in this situation; since you are not swayed by any argument to acknowledge the validity of others except your own, and you refuse to provide valid arguments of merit, and not just allusions leaving me to figure out what you are saying, I'll stop right there.

Validity of what? Your views that homosexuality is a choice?
That marriage isn't a right?
Of all the points that were incorrect?
Arguments based on the same things that were said against interracial marriage now being used for same-sex marriage??
The arguments based on one religion should establish law for a country with a separation of church and state?

Have you actually been reading, or just ignore any of my arguments and then say I didn't have any?

I will say this: Chick-Fil-A shot itself in the foot long before this whole "anti-gay" thing as you so call it, came into being. Remember..? "Closed on Sundays"?
One day a week to be closed is a lot in the food service business. That hasn't seem to effect his popularity or fiscal growth. I highly doubt this "setback" will effect Chick-Fil-A much, if any at all

Well, you certainly are betting your job on it, aren't you?

CFA was always that "weird" restaurant to me and dated a girl who worked there like 7 years ago... but probably only ate their 2-3 times ever - once because a super religious person picked the restaurant. Now they have sunk themselves into a category that few other businesses have entered - those who oppose gay marriage and support anti-gay groups. There's MANY pro-gay companies out there and the cultural trends is towards acceptance and legalization of any two people getting married.

Besides Tim Tebow (and the Broncos being the ONLY team not to support "It Gets Better" anti-bullying of gay kids) and Boy Scouts, who else speaks out against gay rights? I'm not sure how long it would take to list all the companies with LGBT-friendly policies or ads or support... but a while. Kershaw's picture was just the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/04/b...endly-in-2008/

Beginning January 1, 2008, BMW joined the club when it officially began granting partner benefits to employees at its South Carolina assembly plant. BMW's inclusion on the gay-friendly list brings the total count of marques to 35, leaving out only 1.

[markseven]

What this shows is that Christians are more tolerant.

[JinormusJ]

How does that make him feel..?
Well now. I spoke with him tonight actually over a nice #7 and a side of potato fries; I'm one of his only real friends at CFA, and he told me it doesn't affect him as much as it saddens him that people don't even know the truth behind why it's happening. He can let bygones be bygones, but what hurts him the most is when people don't even have a valid reason for opposition. Who's to blame for that..?

Well.. Who else is in charge of "informing" the population of what so many call "unbiased news"? I think you watch enough of it to figure that out. Ill leave you to it since your so familiar with this writing style of "fill in the blanks"

The one day of business probably won't equal out the future loss of popularity or challenge recruiting new people. You can cheer on the line of anti-gay support, but CFA shot itself in the foot in my mind.

It's obvious your mind is made up in this situation; since you are not swayed by any argument to acknowledge the validity of others except your own, and you refuse to provide valid arguments of merit, and not just allusions leaving me to figure out what you are saying, I'll stop right there.


I will say this: Chick-Fil-A shot itself in the foot long before this whole "anti-gay" thing as you so call it, came into being. Remember..? "Closed on Sundays"?
One day a week to be closed is a lot in the food service business. That hasn't seem to effect his popularity or fiscal growth. I highly doubt this "setback" will effect Chick-Fil-A much, if any at all

[rwh11385]

Like I said before, one of my shift leads works for CFA an he's gay, and shoot, well.. He's one of the coolest guys I know, we hang out after closing with the night group from time to time. I have no problem getting along with him, but don't I believe in his mindset.

How do you think that working for CFA makes him feel?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/01/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-controversy-employees-speak-out_n_1729968.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Andrew, a gay 24-year-old who has been working at the northern Alabama Chick-fil-A since January, sat in his car smoking a cigarette and watching the crowd during a break earlier Wednesday.

"I call it hater appreciation day," said Andrew, who asked that his last name be withheld out of fear he'd be fired. "It's very, very depressing."

Gabriel Aguiniga, a gay employee at a Chick-fil-A in Colorado, also said the hardest part hasn't been hearing Cathy's comments. Instead, "[it's] constantly having people come up to you and say, 'I support your company, because your company hates the gays,'" Aguiniga, 18, wrote in an email. "It really takes a toll on me."

"At the end of the day part of our profits still go towards Dan Cathy, and subsequently, all the organizations he supports," she said. K is now actively searching for work elsewhere. Many of her coworkers, she said, are looking for new jobs, too.

The groups Chick-fil-A gives to include the Family Research Council and Exodus International, according to Equality Matters, an initiative associated with the progressive Watchdog group, Media Matters. The Family Research Council is designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, while Exodus International is a Christian Ministry that has long endorsed ex-gay therapy, a controversial practice of "curing" gay people that mainstream mental health organizations have disavowed. (In recent months, the president of Exodus has tried to distance his group from the idea that gay people can be "cured.")

Last week, when he went out to the parking lot to help a trucker (not directly employed by Chick-fil-A) unload a shipment of goods, the trucker turned to Andrew confidentially and said, "If I see one more waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles at a Chick-fil-A protesting, I'm going to be sick."

"I just looked at him and said, 'I don't want to hear that,'" Andrew recalled. "I thought, Chick-fil-A doesn't promote hatred, we don't cuss and we don't hate," he continued. But experiences over the last couple of weeks have shifted his views: "Honestly, I really wish they would just go out of business, I do."

Seems like the restaurant is popular with a certain type.

The one day of business probably won't equal out the future loss of popularity or challenge recruiting new people. You can cheer on the line of anti-gay support, but CFA shot itself in the foot in my mind.

[Kershaw]

[rwh11385]

Right here.



He asked when would customers be able to dictate what others do with their money, keyword here being dictate. You replied with a when, it's plain and simple. What follows afterwards doesn't negate that you provided a situation in which you think it's acceptable for consumers to decide what a company does with their profits.

Again I apologize for your poor wording, I'm also sorry you can't even comprehend it after having it pointed out to you.

Consumers influence what companies do by making purchases or not based on the company decisions or actions. [Look at BOA's quick debit fee whiplash, or Netflix's] You need customers to make the profits to do anything with them. Plain and simple, consumers control companies with where their (the customers') money goes. [A lot of people bailed on GoDaddy when they supported SOPA, and that changed their stance on the issue - but it was too late] Ignoring that consumer power is dumb.

I'm sorry your interpretation of my words wasn't correct and that you were steadfast you knew better of what I was saying. Perhaps reading an entire post instead of just the first sentence would help...

[jaywood]

All of this shit going on with chick fil a right now is giving them so much publicity. I've seen plenty of posts/pics on tumblr, blogs, articles, etc. They all have lines OUT THE DOOR!

[cale]

Since when does that equate to me saying I can go back and force a company's hand to believe what I want? Ridiculous.

Right here.

Since when did other people get to dictate what one does with their money?

Since those "other" people are one's customers or the consuming public.

He asked when would customers be able to dictate what others do with their money, keyword here being dictate. You replied with a when, it's plain and simple. What follows afterwards doesn't negate that you provided a situation in which you think it's acceptable for consumers to decide what a company does with their profits.

Again I apologize for your poor wording, I'm also sorry you can't even comprehend it after having it pointed out to you.

[rwh11385]

Orly?

I never said it's not acceptable to judge a business, don't get it twisted.




You have every right to have an opinion about how they spend your money, but this post alone claims you support consumers not simply having an opinion but having a say as to how they spend their money. Perhaps you worded it poorly, so I'll make it more clear. Do you think consumers should have real control over how a company spends their profits, if that spending goes to causes the consumers disagree with strongly?

Funny, you're the one who got it twisted about what I said. Maybe English is a challenging language for some, but I thought I was clear. I buy from companies who give to charities I like, or do good things in the communities. I don't buy from dickhole companies that do bad business practices, or support stuff I am against. I think Walmart muscles suppliers and does shady stuff, so I do not buy from them - for example.

Since those "other" people are one's customers or the consuming public. Remember the Pepsi Refresh project? Or similar from Chase and other companies? People like companies that support what they believe in.

You can cut out TWICE a sentence out from its context and twist what I said around, but people like companies that support the things they do. It's part of what a brand is about, especially with more and more "socially conscious" businesses grow. CFA obviously has its own brand and its own values, but they are growingly distancing themselves from people who don't "buy in" 100%. They've gone from just that weird restaurant to offending people.

Since when does that equate to me saying I can go back and force a company's hand to believe what I want? Ridiculous.

I'm glad you are absolutely certain you knew what I supposedly claimed. The point was that Chase and Pepsi got people excited about the companies giving back to communities and then perfectly aligned what their customers supported with where the money they set aside went to. Perhaps I ought to have gone and also mentioned the many companies who might do United Way or Susan G Komen, etc. (for all the assholes who want to tell me what I meant, so they don't get confused). But I didn't imagine anyone would have ever assumed I meant the consumers should be able to dictate every financial decision or value statement a company has.

If a company is spending profits to fund or support shit that consumers don't believe in, they should stop buying them. Do they not have that liberty in Canada??? In no way do I expect all companies to take demands from customers as to how they spend their money. We can simply choose to stop giving them any more and buy from brands we believe in. That is how you dictate how companies get money to do with what they want, in a free market at least. People can determine where their money goes - like to companies that share their values.

[cale]

Well, you missed my point so extremely and seemed to try to say that a consumer cannot make decisions based on what the company supports... so yeah. If you want to believe that, then why would YOU not buy diamonds that fund fighting?

Is it audacious to take your business elsewhere because you don't want to support that?


Tell me if it is or is not acceptable for a consumer to judge what a business supports with its profits when considering purchasing from them?? (make up your mind)

Orly?

I never said it's not acceptable to judge a business, don't get it twisted.

Since when did other people get to dictate what one does with their money?

Since those "other" people are one's customers or the consuming public.

You have every right to have an opinion about how they spend your money, but this post alone claims you support consumers not simply having an opinion but having a say as to how they spend their money. Perhaps you worded it poorly, so I'll make it more clear. Do you think consumers should have real control over how a company spends their profits, if that spending goes to causes the consumers disagree with strongly?

[slaterd]

Let's get back to the relative stuff. This thread is making me hungry for some nuggets. I need some of their 32 piece nuggets with two containers of filet sauce. NOW!!!!

[rwh11385]

You can go ahead and play your childish games and continue to wave your proverbial KKK=Gay "intolerance" Red-card instead of providing me with a substantial and valid argument all you want

I'm not playing your game

On top of that: you failed to answer my completely valid question

I don't think it's a card to play, it's the honest opinion of your views. I can't make you tolerant or empathetic, but I don't have to respect bigotry. I view your lack of respect for another person's civil rights the same as I do those who opposed the civil rights movement.


Which one?

Did that go out the window just cause the system favors them over me..?

No one can stop you from being ignorant, but people like you are stopping people from marrying the ones they love. The "system" right now - in states like NC at least - is leaning towards forcing the entire population to follow the beliefs of a national minority. HOW FAIR IS THAT?

The nation is supposed to favor the rights of everyone, not just of a select few.

At the end of the day, more states will go legal gay marriage, and gays will pack up and move to places that respect their rights and bring their money with them.

"If it's a manufacturer's desire to bring in wealthier, better-educated, younger customers, then the lesbian and gay market would be an avenue to that demographic," said Chris Travell, vice president of consulting for Maritz Research, which surveyed 200,000 consumers in 2011 and found that gay and lesbian households made 10% more money.