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[Kershaw]

Are they "normal"? No.

OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you know something about normative behaviors, sociology and homosexuality that I don't (highly unlikely though.)

please explain to me several things. please give scientific definitions and references when applicable.

1. what is normal behavior in humans? please define what constitutes normal behavior.
1a. what is sexually normal for humans, specifically?
1b. how does homosexuality fall in normal or abnormal behaviors?

2. how many species on earth have members that display homosexual behaviors?
2a. do any of these species mate for life?
2b. do any of these species exhibit the same lesbian, gay, bisexual tendencies that humans do?
2c. would homosexuality in animals be blamed on upbringing, environment, or a want to be different?

[frankenbeemer]

So being born with a birth defect is "normal"?


(Note: I am not calling homosexuality a birth defect...)

It's ok, we'll just redefine normal....eventually.

[FunfGan]

When have I said I was superior hahaha? Many times I have insulted myself, and acknowledged my short comings. Yes, not normal. A normal natural progression would be a pairing of two individual objects who are able and capable of reproducing life. Look at plants, animals, etc.

[Farbin Kaiber]

So being born with a birth defect is "normal"?


(Note: I am not calling homosexuality a birth defect...)

[squidmaster]

So... you're saying that people that are gay are born "messed up" or not "normal"... And that it's wrong.

if they are born that way, and that's how they naturally progress through life, what's "wrong" about it? That's like calling just being a girl "wrong" because they're not "normal" (a man).

Do you even think about the things that you say? I mean, really, think about it. Homosexuality is completely normal for humans and all other animals, and has been (recorded) for thousands of years, yet you're just so superior to everything else that we should bow down to your illogical fallacies?

[frankenbeemer]

Great thread, but I wish Kershaw hadn't put in that denial at the end. What a tease.

[FunfGan]

I believe you are wrongly assuming that saying that people who are gay are born "messed up" is not harmful, nor extremely disrespectful.

Asian cultures who negatively look down on left-handed children, whether or not they force convert them, negatively impact their lives from not respecting their individual differences.

How would YOU feel if I said that you were defective because of your eye color? That you didn't deserve the same freedoms or rights because of how you were born? That you were somehow an inferior person because of it? Would that not be harmful? Do you have zero ability to empathize?

Maybe I was a bit too loose with my language. I do not believe they are messed up, or weird. Are they different, yes. Are they "normal"? No. My apologies for being vague and offensive. But yes, I do find it abnormal and unnatural. Again, not in the sense that all who have those feelings are faking it, but in the sense that, looking at nature, it doesn't exactly make sense.

As I may or may not have already said earlier, I have at least a few friends who are gay, whom I have hung out with at car meets, etc. Do I think it's wrong? Yes. Do I judge them? To be honest, I may subconsciously. But I don't treat them any different, I don't insult or isolate them? No. They are humans as the rest of us are, despite their differences.

When have I not empathized? This whole thread I have made it clear that while I disagree and think it is wrong, I don't(or at least strive not to) treat them any differently. The best way to treat anyone is to treat them with equality.


Lastly, I still, and will always believe that legalizing gay marriage will( at least in this country) always be wrong. Partially because of my opinions, and half of because the Constitution of the US, and of the many individual states themselves whose constitutions exclusively describes marriage as between a man and female.

[rwh11385]

Don't a lot of people buy from certain brands because of groups or charities they support? Why wouldn't others not buy from certain brands because of what they are against?

http://www.newser.com/article/da09fgo01/big-brands-take-public-stands-in-gay-marriage-debate-amazons-bezos-donates-25m-in-wash.html

Big brands take public stands in gay marriage debate; Amazon's Bezos donates $2.5M in Wash.

[squidmaster]

BP fucks over the gulf (and the other few hundred reported annual spills), and they are punished because of their decisions (in this case a lack of precautions and shortcuts). They don't get off just because they employ a lot of people.

Oppression of thought is oppressing love that people have for each other. I have no idea how you are trying to turn this around like that. It's like watching a Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck argument.

[jaywood]

*You're



And why am I any more horrible than you? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Which uh, would be none of us.

Lol, I know. I can't stand when people spell that wrong! I found that on the interwebz and thought it was funny!

[squidmaster]

Whoa, it's not just owners that are donating personal money, but it's COMPANY money. Punish the company for the decisions OF the company. Just because it employs people doesn't make the fact that it does wrong things okay. That's a crazy thought process you have there.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Yay! Let's punish businesses for their owners opinions! The War on Opinions is on! Coming soon, the War on Thought!

[squidmaster]

Equal rights for all LBGT. Chick Fil A is against that. I am against what they serve for food, and where their money goes. It is its own company and can spend their money how they feel, but if we as a public stop supporting the business based upon what they support, then it will make an impact. Without our money, they'd have none to donate.

I'm not surprised that people are against gay marriage; there are a lot of bigots around, but it is angering.

What has happened since NY legalized gay marriage

[Kershaw]

let me help ya out....

ITT, we find out people's sexuality.

ITT: we identify the bigots who are the last vestiges of an ancient religion

[rwh11385]

Of course not. You are purely judging me for my unharmful views, with which you disagree with. Nazi's and the Clan both committed harmful atrocities which effected everyone.

I believe you are wrongly assuming that saying that people who are gay are born "messed up" is not harmful, nor extremely disrespectful.

Asian cultures who negatively look down on left-handed children, whether or not they force convert them, negatively impact their lives from not respecting their individual differences.

How would YOU feel if I said that you were defective because of your eye color? That you didn't deserve the same freedoms or rights because of how you were born? That you were somehow an inferior person because of it? Would that not be harmful? Do you have zero ability to empathize?