Word to Rioting Muslims

[cale]

Please let us know which religion you practice. Are you Jewish? Christian? Do you think your religion stands for higher morality than any other? That needs to be acknowledged too because so far, I have read more blind hate than wisdom in your comments. Doesn't look good for the religion by which you stand. :hitler:

I'm not guided by dogma, I live by a a group sense of morality.

Blind? Choosing to believe as I do after surveying the damage religion does is the exact opposite of blind, it's a conclusion I've made after actually giving it some thought. Feel free to go pound salt if you think anything other than respecting all religions for the sake of not hurting feelings is blind.

[Massive Lee]

I'm not guided by dogma, I live by a a group sense of morality.

Blind? Choosing to believe as I do after surveying the damage religion does is the exact opposite of blind, it's a conclusion I've made after actually giving it some thought. Feel free to go pound salt if you think anything other than respecting all religions for the sake of not hurting feelings is blind.

You haven't answered the (very simple) question. By which religion do you go by?

[Fourbanger]

You haven't answered the (very simple) question. By which religion do you go by?

I'm not guided by dogma, I live by a a group sense of morality.

[Massive Lee]

On what do you think such rules of morality are based?

Like people opposing (per exemple) union of persons of the same sex based on moral ground : usually religious.

[z31maniac]

On what do you think such rules of morality are based?

Like people opposing (per exemple) union of persons of the same sex based on moral ground : usually religious.

You mean the morality that modern religions took from the Greek and Roman philosophers? The ones they developed centuries before the Bible or the Koran was written.

The morality that says people are not to harm or be harmed?

Go back to America's hat.

[2761377]

Please let us know which religion you practice. Are you Jewish? Christian? Do you think your religion stands for higher morality than any other? That needs to be acknowledged too because so far, I have read more blind hate than wisdom in your comments. Doesn't look good for the religion by which you stand. :hitler:

that some hard core athieism, there eh? using the evil acts of one religion to denigrate all.

if you can't or are unwilling understand the special evil found in islam you have no moral compass.

BTW, aren't you the guy who defended the sept 11 attacks and muslim outrage on the roadfly 2002 forum back then? maybe your defense of islam here is not after all based on athiestic principles.

islam is a threat to Western values. end of story.

[evandael]

Sure there is when it is the religion telling them to do those things and it is their developed sense of morality preventing them from doing so. That needs to be acknowledged.

The Qu'ran define Jihad and Fatwa respectively; a struggle, or striving to advance one's own religious experience, the need to defend the religion if it is found under attack, and a fatwa is a non-secular 'legal opinion'.

Modern extremists have twisted the words to suit their regime and evil intent, and Western media has played along, twisting the words to take on these other, less benevolent meanings.

muslim and islam are not the same.

Correct. Kind of like how Judaism and Jew are not the same. A Muslim is a person who practices Islam.

You mean the morality that modern religions took from the Greek and Roman philosophers? The ones they developed centuries before the Bible or the Koran was written.

The morality that says people are not to harm or be harmed?

Go back to America's hat.

Your own argument falls apart in your last little quip. But just for the sake of argument, why does it matter what the source of morality is, as long as it is practiced without perverting it's intent? Do you find issue with democracy originating from the French Revolution? I am no fan of religion, but good people have done good things in the name of their beliefs.

..the evil acts of one *snip* to denigrate all... if you can't or are unwilling understand the special evil found in islam you have no moral compass... islam is a threat to Western values. end of story.

No. Please continue this story. In what ways does a largely practiced religion, the second largest in the world, differ from other religions, specifically the two other Abrahamic religions? What are these 'special evils'? You are using the evil and misguided acts of perhaps less than .1% of the world's Muslims to denigrate all.

I would also like to discuss these Western values you find under attack, and maybe open up a discourse on how the same Western values are threats to Eastern values.. you know, people's lives and culture we have no business to impose on. Look at all sides of the coin before you toss, buddy.

I'm not guided by dogma, I live by a a group sense of morality.

Blind? Choosing to believe as I do after surveying the damage religion does is the exact opposite of blind, it's a conclusion I've made after actually giving it some thought. Feel free to go pound salt if you think anything other than respecting all religions for the sake of not hurting feelings is blind.

What 'group' guides your morality? Do you cheat on your S.O? Do you beg borrow and steal? Murder? Do you curse your parents and beat your children?These and many other principles did not just spring up out of thin air.. people have come to accept them throughout the ages and the interpretation of various religions have played a key part in that process.



To all: the world is a tiny place and like it or not, religion has guided history and shaped our lives, each and every one of us. You don't have to agree with them, you don't have to adhere to them, but don't deny their presence in both global discourse and human history. Also, try to learn more about what you are afraid of or don't understand. You may not find it so frightening after all, and will save yourself from perpetuating blind fear and hate-mongering.

[cale]

What 'group' guides your morality? Do you cheat on your S.O? Do you beg borrow and steal? Murder? Do you curse your parents and beat your children?These and many other principles did not just spring up out of thin air.. people have come to accept them throughout the ages and the interpretation of various religions have played a key part in that process.
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A societal one.

All the examples you gave were unacceptable behavior in pre-Christian societies, so were they influence by the abrahamic religions as well? Give me a break.

[2761377]

No. Please continue this story. In what ways does a largely practiced religion, the second largest in the world, differ from other religions, specifically the two other Abrahamic religions? What are these 'special evils'?

obviously you are ignorant of the text of the Koran which specifically advocates killing all Jews and non-believers. nothing in the covenant brought by jesus promotes violence.

You are using the evil and misguided acts of perhaps less than .1% of the world's Muslims to denigrate all.

I would also like to discuss these Western values you find under attack, and maybe open up a discourse on how the same Western values are threats to Eastern values.. you know, people's lives and culture we have no business to impose on. Look at all sides of the coin before you toss, buddy.

i couldn't care less what Western values are considered threats by muslims. the right of free speech, of freedom of (and from for you athieists) religion are important parts of a secular government that tries to protect all citizens not just those who are co-religionists.

and by the way, surely you reject the misogyny of islam while you defend it, right? or do you hate women too?

[Fusion]

What they are doing is comparable to an E30 owner group going out and damaging and burning Honda civics, rioting, because a Civic owner made a half-assed movie criticizing e30's. No matter what religion, I'd like to think humans are civilized enough to discuss their differences on a calm level. But these conflicts show that some aren't capable to do so.

[BraveUlysses]

Ohh cute Lee broke his promise to never return

[z31maniac]

Your own argument falls apart in your last little quip. But just for the sake of argument, why does it matter what the source of morality is, as long as it is practiced without perverting it's intent? Do you find issue with democracy originating from the French Revolution? I am no fan of religion, but good people have done good things in the name of their beliefs.

Because religions claim morality as their own. That without religion, you can't have morality.

I was pointing out "The Golden" rule was espoused centuries before modern religion took it as its own.

[evandael]

a lot of people just don't take the time to understand what they're afraid of.

there are muslim extremists and there are progressive muslims and there are people who are just plain in the middle of the road, who live normal lives and just happen to have a religion that they may or may not practice. yet some of you would lump them all into your misinformed view of Islam.. asserting that near 1 billion people on the planet must all be terroristic, homicidal, misogynistic, American-hating maniacs.


i'm not religious, i don't agree with a lot of foreign policy, i love neither America nor any other sovereign nation above others. what i do wish is for some of you to seriously examine your flawed logic.

[FunfGan]

If I'm not mistaken( excuse me, It's been a while since I did a short reading of/ study of the Quran, but doesn't the whole thing practically preach on the importance of killing in the name of Allah? I seem to remember it being nothing but violence, like the OT on steroids. Again, It's been a while, but that was my take away.

[Kershaw]

Ohh cute Lee broke his promise to never return

I thought I saw a ghost!

Islam doesn't call for killing everything, but it does call for conquering everything.