Word to Rioting Muslims

[evandael]

If I'm not mistaken( excuse me, It's been a while since I did a short reading of/ study of the Quran, but doesn't the whole thing practically preach on the importance of killing in the name of Allah? I seem to remember it being nothing but violence, like the OT on steroids. Again, It's been a while, but that was my take away.

Wow, no. Unless that is your interpretation of every religious text, then yeah, sure.

[Jib05]

lol just read every comment on here, i personally have not ever, in any single instance have been taught it is OK to harm or kill someone. neither has any of my teachers or any elder of mine have ever told me to go kill someone in the name of Allah(god).

You have to understand that the Qur'an is sometimes translated by some (unfortunately usually Indian men) in such a manner that the emphasis of the text is to kill, take over or even that females are inferior. My whole life even in going to learn about my own faith, I have NEVER been taught it is OK to hit a female.

The text of the Qur'an that relates to violence roughly translates to, retaliate when attacked, but when your attacker stops, you MUST also stop IMMEDIATELY(don't quote me on that But Ive been taught from Hadith that it it wise to avoid any violence or conflict if i can.

I don't take offense by any comments posted here against my faith, it is open to discussion and I would be shocked if someone took this thread down. Not all the publicity my faith gets is good (actually none, go figure).

also the importance of killing in the name of Allah. The importance of that is that it is justified and is within laws of the land you live within and within laws of Islam. I have not seen any killings by these rioters or militants in my lifetime that is justified in my religion. I personally feel my faith has not been attacked by anyone that would call for such radical measures. Although some things people say, do test it.

The people you see rioting about such nonsense like the movie or what ever it is, are not very good Muslims. I'm not saying I support the movie? play? picture? I'm not gonna go kill someone over it.



my 2c

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[Thizzelle]

Good muslims should speak out more like this and ban together to force the shitty ones out.

[iamsam]

The text of the Qur'an that relates to violence roughly translates to, retaliate when attacked...

In my conversations with a good friend of mine (who is a devout Muslim), this is the main difference between Islam and Christianity that I have found.

Islam teaches retaliation ("eye for an eye"), while Christianity teaches forgiveness instead of retaliation ("turn the other cheek"). Now, I don't speak for all Christians of course (as I am sure someone will bring up the Crusades here), but that is what I believe anyway.

So I can see how the theme of retaliation can be easily twisted by the "bad" Muslims to their own means, which I suppose is the main driver behind these heinous acts.

I also wonder why more Muslims don't publicly speak out against the radicals and their crimes.

[Jib05]

Good muslims should speak out more like this and ban together to force the shitty ones out.

In my conversations with a good friend of mine (who is a devout Muslim), this is the main difference between Islam and Christianity that I have found.

Islam teaches retaliation ("eye for an eye"), while Christianity teaches forgiveness instead of retaliation ("turn the other cheek"). Now, I don't speak for all Christians of course (as I am sure someone will bring up the Crusades here), but that is what I believe anyway.

So I can see how the theme of retaliation can be easily twisted by the "bad" Muslims to their own means, which I suppose is the main driver behind these heinous acts.

I also wonder why more Muslims don't publicly speak out against the radicals and their crimes.

This, i totally agree. Even i don't know why people don't speak out to those who mess it up for the rest of us that follow Islam. More fear as to what they will do to us i guess. as for the crusades... well yeah lol its done and we will leave it at that.

I see how people can be driven toward thinking Islam is about being aggressors, but in the way Ive been taught(since i was very young) is to say "let it go" rather than to hang on to anger and pain. In any circumstance that is a bad thing.

Edit: Not sure if its really 100% "eye for an eye" but everyone has the option of forgiveness, and that is sometimes maybe the hardest thing to do. We are always to taught to ask for forgiveness to Allah(god) even if we don't know what we have done wrong lol

I'm glad that people can understand that its an older lost generation that tried to impose stupid and absolutely ridiculous laws that are apparently "Islam" upon the next. I'm quite disappointed that people who are calling themselves Muslims don't even do any research into what the are being brainwashed to believe.

Again my 2c (4c now lol)

[cmybimmer]

The Qu'ran define Jihad and Fatwa respectively; a struggle, or striving to advance one's own religious experience, the need to defend the religion if it is found under attack, and a fatwa is a non-secular 'legal opinion'.
Modern extremists have twisted the words to suit their regime and evil intent, and Western media has played along, twisting the words to take on these other, less benevolent meanings.

Correct. Kind of like how Judaism and Jew are not the same. A Muslim is a person who practices Islam.

Your own argument falls apart in your last little quip. But just for the sake of argument, why does it matter what the source of morality is, as long as it is practiced without perverting it's intent? Do you find issue with democracy originating from the French Revolution? I am no fan of religion, but good people have done good things in the name of their beliefs.




No. Please continue this story. In what ways does a largely practiced religion, the second largest in the world, differ from other religions, specifically the two other Abrahamic religions? What are these 'special evils'? You are using the evil and misguided acts of perhaps less than .1% of the world's Muslims to denigrate all.

I would also like to discuss these Western values you find under attack, and maybe open up a discourse on how the same Western values are threats to Eastern values.. you know, people's lives and culture we have no business to impose on. Look at all sides of the coin before you toss, buddy.

What 'group' guides your morality? Do you cheat on your S.O? Do you beg borrow and steal? Murder? Do you curse your parents and beat your children?These and many other principles did not just spring up out of thin air.. people have come to accept them throughout the ages and the interpretation of various religions have played a key part in that process.

To all: the world is a tiny place and like it or not, religion has guided history and shaped our lives, each and every one of us. You don't have to agree with them, you don't have to adhere to them, but don't deny their presence in both global discourse and human history. Also, try to learn more about what you are afraid of or don't understand. You may not find it so frightening after all, and will save yourself from perpetuating blind fear and hate-mongering.

lol just read every comment on here, i personally have not ever, in any single instance have been taught it is OK to harm or kill someone. neither has any of my teachers or any elder of mine have ever told me to go kill someone in the name of Allah(god).

You have to understand that the Qur'an is sometimes translated by some (unfortunately usually Indian men) in such a manner that the emphasis of the text is to kill, take over or even that females are inferior. My whole life even in going to learn about my own faith, I have NEVER been taught it is OK to hit a female.

The text of the Qur'an that relates to violence roughly translates to, retaliate when attacked, but when your attacker stops, you MUST also stop IMMEDIATELY(don't quote me on that But Ive been taught from Hadith that it it wise to avoid any violence or conflict if i can.

I don't take offense by any comments posted here against my faith, it is open to discussion and I would be shocked if someone took this thread down. Not all the publicity my faith gets is good (actually none, go figure).

also the importance of killing in the name of Allah. The importance of that is that it is justified and is within laws of the land you live within and within laws of Islam. I have not seen any killings by these rioters or militants in my lifetime that is justified in my religion. I personally feel my faith has not been attacked by anyone that would call for such radical measures. Although some things people say, do test it.

The people you see rioting about such nonsense like the movie or what ever it is, are not very good Muslims. I'm not saying I support the movie? play? picture? I'm not gonna go kill someone over it.



my 2c

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Didn't think there were actual people who weren't completely brainwashed by the media into thinking Islam is a religion of hate.. Thanks for proving me wrong^^!People educate themselves about Islam by the very one sided media we are exposed to today, especially in America. What they see on TV is how they portray Muslims. If you study an actual practicing Muslims life, you will hardly see any violence or harm, and if you do, it is merely the weakness of the persons faith/iman.

And just to clear up a few things.. Jihad does mean "struggle" as mentioned above.. Doesn't mean "Holy war" or whatever the hell you guys call it. We go through Jihad every day, whether it be making jihad dealing with all the discrimination we get from others.. Or jihad getting "randomely selected"/harassed at the airport just because I have a Muslim name.. etc..

Also, when the Prophet (and most Khalifat that followed) used to meet with a ruler of a kingdom, He offered three conditions to choose from.. FIRST would be to accept Islam, right off the bat.. second would be if they don't accept Islam, to pay taxes to the Muslims and they live in peace.. And THIRD/LAST would be if they refused the first two conditions, then battle would break out. Last resort would be fighting, which is what Islam teaches.. You would never see Muslims (at the time of the prophet) dive straight into war.

Instead of hearing/reading the opinion of what people think Islam is about, you should really read about the life of the best man who stepped foot on this Earth, Prophet Mohammed SAW. Since He is the one who was sent with the message of Islam, he should be the one to label Islam with, not any of these lost people with short temper that call themselves Muslims.. If you study his way of life, there's no way someone would call him in any way of disrespect. But believe what you want I guess.

I don't mean to disrespect anyone with my post.. There's just a lott of falsified info itt.

[s14pwd]

I was not going to comment in this thread, but something needs to be said for the last 2 commenters:

Jib05- I am glad your calm and think before acting on blind beliefs. But if you want your thoughts to be truly accepted avoid stereotyping as people do with Muslims. This comment is totally out of line.

You have to understand that the Qur'an is sometimes translated by some (unfortunately usually Indian men) in such a manner that the emphasis of the text is to kill, take over or even that females are inferior.

cmybimmer- Its good that you are clarifying points that are not clear. However, your comment on options given to non Muslims before conflict re-enforce how Islam is not very tolerant of other religions.

Also, when the Prophet (and most Khalifat that followed) used to meet with a ruler of a kingdom, He offered three conditions to choose from.. FIRST would be to accept Islam, right off the bat.. second would be if they don't accept Islam, to pay taxes to the Muslims and they live in peace.. And THIRD/LAST would be if they refused the first two conditions, then battle would break out. Last resort would be fighting, which is what Islam teaches..

There is no acceptance of others. How in any society is it right to a)forcefully convert people of other religions? b)If they don't convert, why under Islam is it OK to tax them because of different beliefs? c)Finally if they do neither then it becomes acceptable to become violent? I know people who have gone through this in Asia, and is simply unacceptable. For you to try and defend religion with something this backwords thinking. Islam needs to remove ideologies like this and become truly OK with accepting people of other faiths.

Most Muslims are peaceful and accept others and have progressive thoughts, my best friend is a Muslim, it truly is a shame how the minority represents others.

My $0.02.

[cmybimmer]

I was not going to comment in this thread, but something needs to be said for the last 2 commenters:

Jib05- I am glad your calm and think before acting on blind beliefs. But if you want your thoughts to be truly accepted avoid stereotyping as people do with Muslims. This comment is totally out of line.



cmybimmer- Its good that you are clarifying points that are not clear. However, your comment on options given to non Muslims before conflict re-enforce how Islam is not very tolerant of other religions.



There is no acceptance of others. How in any society is it right to a)forcefully convert people of other religions? b)If they don't convert, why under Islam is it OK to tax them because of different beliefs? c)Finally if they do neither then it becomes acceptable to become violent? I know people who have gone through this in Asia, and is simply unacceptable. For you to try and defend religion with something this backwords thinking. Islam needs to remove ideologies like this and become truly OK with accepting people of other faiths.

Most Muslims are peaceful and accept others and have progressive thoughts, my best friend is a Muslim, it truly is a shame how the minority represents others.

My $0.02.

I understand what you are trying to say.. Muslims are actually supposed to respect other faiths/beliefs.. Especially the Abrahamic religions, since we believe in Jesus, Moses, Abraham, etc.. to be prophets as well. So accepting, or at least respecting people of other faith, is required from us.

Remember that when Islam was still in its beginning, the head count was very minimal for a couple years.. and the Muslims were already wanted men/women for introducing this blaspheme of a religion to them.. They had no choice but to practice in secret, and majority of the time would be beat or killed for announcing their faith in public. Since it would have been an easy task to wipe out the handful of Muslims at the time, Islam was in a position where it would have only lasted a few years and never heard of again. Anyway, what I'm trying to get at here is the Prophet couldn't have just continued laying low for the rest of his life with his followers, so he had to start going out and inviting toward Islam.. And since the non-Muslims were the ones going out attacking those who did so, Muslims had to stand up for themselves, and that would mean fighting anyone who stood in their way. But like mentioned above, the Prophet would first kindly send an invitation to the ruler/king toward Islam, because if the ruler was against the religion, they would obviously not allow Muslims to settle and preach. If the ruler becomes Muslim, then majority of the country would become Muslim.

The tax part is beyond me, and I don't want to make any false claims as to why that was one of the conditions.. There was obviously a reason behind it, and I can say it definitely wasn't for the greed of the Prophet/khulafat because they were men that put the preference of the next life over this one.

Muslims were completely different people outside of the battle-field. Prisoners of war were treated better than we treat guests at our houses today. They were "confined" to staying in the mosque in which after observing with their own two eyes of what Islam is really about and what it teaches, they would convert to Islam in a matter of days. Unfortunately, 99% of the mosques today don't represent Islam how it should.

All based on the little that I know.. I'm no scholar, but I love my religion and love reading about it. It's not called the religion of peace for no reason (you saw that red flag, didn't you?) lol Allah yahdeek

[Thizzelle]

please get over yourselves, they're at it again.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9607...Google-HQ.html

[cale]

Typical behavior, conform to our primative beliefs...or else!

Britain allows this sort of thing to go too far, they've dug their own grave. When you make up a tiny percentage of the population, you don't get to dictate anything..you get to conform to their beliefs and principles ESPECIALLY as an immigrant. Australia ftw.

[BraveUlysses]

There is no religion which is above criticism or ridicule. Ridiculous.

[Kershaw]

There is no idea that is above criticism.

This concept is the reason why we have science and are not in the forests anymore.

[gwb72tii]

There is no idea that is above criticism.

This concept is the reason why we have science and are not in the forests anymore.

except global warming haha

[cale]

except global warming haha

It brings me great pain to be the first to share this knowledge with you, but science doesn't work on opinions based in bias.

[WhyNot]

There is no idea that is above criticism.
This concept is the reason why we have science and are not in the forests anymore.

problems arise when people with different religions, cultures, etc mix.
so all foreigners should leave usa
now we are back to only the native americians
there will be reason and still be living in the wild
problem solved
youre welcome