Benghazi-Gate?

[Cliche Guevara]

They're both right-leaning publications that balance my natural liberal perspective and they certainly aren't my only news sources. Either way, this has zero relevance to what I was responding to from mrsleeve, which is that I either get all my info from the Daily Show or am sorely uninformed.

[Dozyproductions]

I get you. But the CSM is owned by the christian science publishing society which was also founded by Mary Eddy. The current chairman and editor in chief is a person who follows similar dogma of that 'society'. Hence the news there is spun.

The economist is owned by the Economist Group in which the rothchilds have a seat in the board of directors. Just because it's respected doesn't mean squat.

Following the money in most situations usually finds you the answer. With corporations owning or having great controlling power of most of the world's governments, and adding a sprinkle of some healthy self preservation strategy that most anyone would have, you can come to some simple conclusions. Mentioning any of the big news sources we receive in America in any of r3v's political arguments always gets me a laugh.


Study the spider web that is the ownership of most info sources and you'll get the pattern. Do you wonder why there was such a huge shoot to go to war by our media? Most major news outlets were parading the war drums and why? Well so GE can make billions in war contracts and yadda yadda yadda.

[Cliche Guevara]

lol at having high standards for new sources. Most of those you 'subscribe' to are all most likely owned by the same banking family and subsidiaries that all want the same thing out of world events to turn a profit.

The Register Guard is locally owned, The CSM is owned by the Christian Science Publishing Society, and, while I don't know who owns them, The Economist is one of the most widely respected news magazines around.

Don't think you're better because you don't listen to fox news or that you can understand the jokes from Tom Stewart.

I do actually watch Fox News from time to time just to see what's going on over there. I don't derive my perception of Fox News from potentially out of context clips thrown around by left-wing commentators but from actually watching it. And, yes, I do think I'm better off because I do my best to eliminate news sources that systematically reaffirm my own beliefs. I won't say better than you, but I'll say that I would be doing myself a disservice if I got all my news from MSNBC.

[Dozyproductions]

I subscribe to The Economist, Christian Science Monitor, and The Register Guard (local paper), and watch BBC World News America from time to time. I have very high standards for my news and make sure to take in my information carefully. Still, I don't recall Obama directly denying that it was terrorism and would like to see a source to him saying that.

lol at having high standards for new sources. Most of those you 'subscribe' to are all most likely owned by the same banking family and subsidiaries that all want the same thing out of world events to turn a profit. Don't think you're better because you don't listen to fox news or that you can understand the jokes from Tom Stewart.

C'mon mr.sleeve back me up on this. The human psyche is over analyzed and is greatly predictable, so moving public opinion in either way to serve a purpose is a whole hell lot easier to sway than you would think. /rant.

[e30e]

What about the large portion of country who doesn't give a shit? I know I'm not the only one.

[Cliche Guevara]

Then the rock you live under must be rather large, or you just ignore all "news sources" other than the daily show and other satire like programing. I have not sat and watched a news program in months, nor had time to read more than a few lines in a news paper with any consistency, and even I saw what you did not.

I subscribe to The Economist, Christian Science Monitor, and The Register Guard (local paper), and watch BBC World News America from time to time. I have very high standards for my news and make sure to take in my information carefully. Still, I don't recall Obama directly denying that it was terrorism and would like to see a source to him saying that.

[mrsleeve]

I don't recall them flat out denying that it was a terrorist attack.

Then the rock you live under must be rather large, or you just ignore all "news sources" other than the daily show and other satire like programing. I have not sat and watched a news program in months, nor had time to read more than a few lines in a news paper with any consistency, and even I saw what you did not.

[DaButt]

It sucks. We'll learn a lot of lessons from it, I'm sure. The reality is it sounds like State is undermanned worldwide. As the past few weeks have demonstrated- there are just too many potential flashpoints to have the proverbial "warm and fuzzy" at every single embassy. Unfortunately we're going to have to settle for a worldwide status of "cold, scaly and alert."

But I think it will get worse before it gets better in the middle east.

We live in an era of persistent conflict. It may not be a running gun battle on a hillside in Afghanistan or a street in Fallujah, but their dream (terrorism) has not died.

It's a messy business, this foreign affairs stuff. Foreign Service Officers take their jobs knowing that it's not always rosy, not always cocktail parties and and galas- and we owe them a debt of gratitude.

I'm not even going to talk about the politics... it kinda makes me sick.

[Cliche Guevara]

I think it was the "oh no it wasn't a terrorist attack" line we got from his administration for DAYS after the knew it was a terrorist attack.

I don't recall them flat out denying that it was a terrorist attack. While Obama hasn't until recently used that specific word, he has been unwavering in condemning the attack and groups who took part. In his response the next day I saw nothing more than a strong, solemn, and straight-forward approach to discussing the event. The right is doing an excellent job of manufacturing outrage at the administration over this, something they've proven quite adept at (ex: the "you didn't build that" bullshit).

[z31maniac]

He never apologized for it, not even in the slightest. That's complete and utter bullshit. Obama, along with SoS Clinton, issued strong statements of condemnation while reaffirming our partnership with the new Libyan government. He also has increased security at our embassies in an effort to prevent another such tragedy. I'll ask again, what more should he do?

I think it was the "oh no it wasn't a terrorist attack" line we got from his administration for DAYS after the knew it was a terrorist attack.

[Eric]

edit @joshh: If you think you're making some sort of clever point with the Obama quote in your sig you're absolutely not. All you're doing is confirming our suspicions of your ignorance and lack of appreciation for context.

:rofl::rofl:

[Cliche Guevara]

I agree with the majority, Americans where killed and they were just like, whatever, can we still be friends Libya?

The Libyan government fucking helped us during the attack. They're the ones that took the ambassador to a hospital where it was confirmed he was dead.

[Wschnitz]

I agree with the majority, Americans where killed and they were just like, whatever, can we still be friends Libya?

[Cliche Guevara]

Blind outrage? Where do get that from. I am disturbed by the continuing downplaying of what happened. It is sad to see the president apologize for a terrorist attack on our embassy. I'd like to hear some answers from the questions that are out there.

He never apologized for it, not even in the slightest. That's complete and utter bullshit. Obama, along with SoS Clinton, issued strong statements of condemnation while reaffirming our partnership with the new Libyan government. He also has increased security at our embassies in an effort to prevent another such tragedy. I'll ask again, what more should he do?

edit @joshh: If you think you're making some sort of clever point with the Obama quote in your sig you're absolutely not. All you're doing is confirming our suspicions of your ignorance and lack of appreciation for context.

[joshh]

I can only imagine the shit storm the media would be on if this happened during the Bush admin. But since the media has a hankering for Marxists they give it a pass.