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  • joshh
    R3V OG
    • Aug 2004
    • 6195

    #301
    Originally posted by rwh11385
    No, that is not a logical argument. You wouldn't know what a logical argument if it hit you in the face. A logical argument must be based on logical and valid premises, not assumptions or a poor basis.

    So... you argue their agenda would make it all the way as a whole like the Democrats, which you just admitted were limited by Republicans. You were able to disprove your own point in a few sentences.

    What's still ironic is you claiming someone else cannot make a real argument. Almost as ironic as you emphasizing what Obama was talking about in regards to maintaining infrastructure, even as you take his words out of context in your signature.

    So now you are attacking people who vote for Gary Johnson because it is as bad in your mind as voting for the Communist party??
    And you just keep proving you cannot argue the Libertarian platform. Thank you for proving that....LMFAO.
    See you're all about the attack. That's not what I said at all. It was an example showing a person voting for a party he doesn't actually believe in because he knows not all the policies will make it to fruition but hopes it "helps".
    You're attack attitude makes it impossible for you to see any logic at all. You may have the last word because all it'll be is an attack as usual. Feel free to keep altering what I've said so you have something to whine about....lol.
    Last edited by joshh; 10-28-2012, 08:17 PM.
    Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

    "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

    ‎"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack Obama

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    • rwh11385
      lance_entities
      • Oct 2003
      • 18403

      #302
      Originally posted by joshh
      And you just keep proving you cannot argue the Libertarian platform. Than you for proving that....LMFAO.
      See you're all about the attack. That's not what I said at all. It was an example showing a person voting for a party he doesn't actually believe in because he knows not all the policies will make it to fruition but hopes it "helps".
      You're attack attitude makes it impossible for you to see any logic at all. You may have the last word because all it'll be is an attack as usual. Feel free to keep altering what I've said so you have something to whine about....lol.
      My attack of your logical fallacies make it impossible for me to see any logic at all??

      I think you need to learn what logic is before you make statements about it.

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      • joshh
        R3V OG
        • Aug 2004
        • 6195

        #303
        Originally posted by rwh11385
        My attack of your logical fallacies make it impossible for me to see any logic at all??

        I think you need to learn what logic is before you make statements about it.
        And you need to learn what a logical fallacy is. And that aberrating someone's comments is showing weakness in your own logic. All while you continue to avoid discussing the basic Libertarian platform...lol. No matter how you justify it.
        Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

        "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

        ‎"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack Obama

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        • ethrtyiS
          R3V OG
          • May 2010
          • 8147

          #304
          Originally posted by joshh
          I love wearing shirts like that or bumper stickers. The bumper stickers have to be on magnets so the liberals ( the tolerance crowed) don't key your car though. So you place them strategically.
          yeah, i won't do bumper stickers or anything like that for that exact reason. however, i do have some suction cupped romney-ryan signs and i also get dirty looks for that, mainly from welfare/cracked out looking women, and ignorant young people. i am however, a bit scared that i will come back to my car reading obama keyed on the hood like what i've heard from others. luckily, i have insurance, and if i catch the person doing it i'll be sure to use my 1st and 2nd amendment before it's taken away from us.

          '89 BMW 325is | '02 Mitsubishi Montero Limited | '2005 GMC Sierra 2500 Duramax | 2007 BMW M5
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          • rwh11385
            lance_entities
            • Oct 2003
            • 18403

            #305
            Originally posted by joshh
            And you need to learn what a logical fallacy is. And that aberrating someone's comments is showing weakness in your own logic. All while you continue to avoid discussing the basic Libertarian platform...lol. No matter how you justify it.
            Irony overload. Anyone who understands logic should be able to easily identify the weakness of the arguments you post and the fallacies they are based on. Again, it's not my fault that you take it personally when I point out the flaws of your arguments.



            Do you want to end unneeded farm subsidies (those going to mega corporate farmers)? Let states manage money for Medicare and Medicaid directly via block grants like Ryan wants [for Medicaid]? You hate Obamacare right? Repeal Patriot Act? Pro 2nd amendment? Plenty of people are waiting to move towards FairTax. I can't see why you would have a problem with those items...

            Maybe it's gay marriage, removing prohibition, or legalizing immigrant workers needed to grow the economy since our population growth is dismal. Yeah, is that why you think the country would enter Anarchy? Two immigrant men could work legally and marry each other while smoking weed?
            Last edited by rwh11385; 10-29-2012, 10:21 AM.

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            • joshh
              R3V OG
              • Aug 2004
              • 6195

              #306
              Originally posted by rwh11385
              Irony overload. Anyone who understands logic should be able to easily identify the weakness of the arguments you post and the fallacies they are based on. Again, it's not my fault that you take it personally when I point out the flaws of your arguments.



              Do you want to end unneeded farm subsidies (those going to mega corporate farmers)? Let states manage money for Medicare directly via block grants like Ryan wants? You hate Obamacare right? Repeal Patriot Act? Pro 2nd amendment? Plenty of people are waiting to move towards FairTax. I can't see why you would have a problem with those items...

              Maybe it's gay marriage, removing prohibition, or legalizing immigrant workers needed to grow the economy since our population growth is dismal. Yeah, is that why you think the country would enter Anarchy? Two immigrant men could work legally and marry each other while smoking weed?
              Ah yes still on the attack I see...lol.

              As I've already said, they have some good ideas. And they have some fucking retarded ones.

              The Fair Tax just is not going to be that simple. A flat 23% tax (depending on your income) is going to replace all the current taxes we have? Property taxes, income taxes, death taxes, payroll taxes, estate taxes etc. It's just not going to happen. How are you going to prove what you bought is new or used? What's going to be considered a necessity? What about the fact that we just slapped a tax on every item we now sell on the American market (to other countries)? A huge tax on items I don't need doesn't make me want to buy. However I'm all for lower taxes. And all for much less pork.

              Our population growth is important while we have 23 million people out of work/under employed...good point.

              Now enter into the fact Libertarians want to rid the US of entitlements. That would include for those who can't care for themselves. SS, Planned Parenthood, Welfare, food stamps ect. Homeless shelters and non-profits would be swamped. Unless you want to assume there's a job for everyone in the US including the immigrants they want to open the border for.

              What you're going to have is far more even richer rich people and more poorer poor people. Because Libertarians want to remove regulations and let the free market regulate itself. Even I don't agree with that. And if the liberals here had any balls they'd jump in and argue that point as well.

              What you have with Libertarians is a hodgepodge of good and bad ideas that in the end will not work out.
              Last edited by joshh; 10-28-2012, 11:58 PM.
              Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

              "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

              ‎"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack Obama

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              • rwh11385
                lance_entities
                • Oct 2003
                • 18403

                #307
                Originally posted by joshh
                Ah yes still on the attack I see...lol.
                Well you said I need to learn what a logical fallacy was when you keep making them and I keep pointing them out, seemed ironic.

                Originally posted by joshh
                As I've already said, they have some good ideas. And they have some fucking retarded ones.
                Since when has any political party have all their ideas adopted?

                Originally posted by joshh
                The Fair Tax just is not going to be that simple. A flat 23% tax (depending on your income) is going to replace all the current taxes we have? Property taxes, income taxes, death taxes, payroll taxes, estate taxes etc. It's just not going to happen. How are you going to prove what you bought is new or used? What's going to be considered a necessity? What about the fact that we just slapped a tax on every item we now sell on the American market (to other countries)? A huge tax on items I don't need doesn't make me want to buy. However I'm all for lower taxes. And all for much less pork.
                Whoever said it was going to be simple? And you can't maintain your own view through that paragraph.

                Originally posted by joshh
                Our population growth is important while we have 23 million people out of work/under employed...good point
                .
                It is. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...american-jobs/

                "Meanwhile, the research has found that immigrants – including the poor, uneducated ones coming from south of the border — have a big positive impact on the economy over the long run, bolstering the profitability of American firms, reducing the prices of some products and services by providing employers with a new labor source and creating more opportunities for investment and jobs. Giovanni Peri, an economist at the University of California at Davis, estimated that the wave of immigrants that entered the United States from 1990 to 2007 increased national income per worker by about $5,400 a year on average, in 2007 dollars. He also concluded that the wave had a small positive impact on the average wage of American workers, by lifting the overall economy. If immigrants hurt anyone, it was the previous cohort of immigrants, with whom they most directly compete in the labor market."
                Originally posted by joshh
                Now enter into the fact Libertarians want to rid the US of entitlements. That would include for those who can't care for themselves. SS, Planned Parenthood, Welfare, food stamps ect. Homeless shelters and non-profits would be swamped. Unless you want to assume there's a job for everyone in the US including the immigrants they want to open the border for.
                There's Republicans who said Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional, so if by your logic you shouldn't vote Libertarian because of that, then you shouldn't vote Republican either. So congrats on voting for Obama next week.


                Originally posted by joshh
                What you're going to have is far more even richer rich people and more poorer poor people. Because Libertarians want to remove regulations and let the free market regulate itself. Even I don't agree with that. And if the liberals here had any balls they'd jump in and argue that point as well.

                What you have with Libertarians is a hodgepodge of good and bad ideas that in the end will not work out.
                So your argument is that they will be free to create Anarchy because of your logical assumption that "liberals don't have any balls".

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                • joshh
                  R3V OG
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 6195

                  #308
                  Originally posted by rwh11385
                  Well you said I need to learn what a logical fallacy was when you keep making them and I keep pointing them out, seemed ironic.


                  Since when has any political party have all their ideas adopted?


                  Whoever said it was going to be simple? And you can't maintain your own view through that paragraph.

                  .
                  It is. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...american-jobs/




                  There's Republicans who said Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional, so if by your logic you shouldn't vote Libertarian because of that, then you shouldn't vote Republican either. So congrats on voting for Obama next week.



                  So your argument is that they will be free to create Anarchy because of your logical assumption that "liberals don't have any balls".


                  We're talking about their platform now aren't we.



                  My point is maintained very well. The Fair Tax is far from worked out well. As I show there. Yet there's Mr. Libertarian siding with the Fair Tax...yet it's unworkable as it sits.

                  Nice link from The New York Times...lol. But I've seen with my own eyes the jobs immigrants take from Americans in construction. And they aren't general labor workers. They're skilled laborers. Plus your link doesn't take into account the fact 23 million Americans are either unemployed or under employed while you cry about population growth. Not making sense there bud.

                  Ah yes and another logical fallacy from you because you choose to alter my ideas. Which just makes you look desperate again...as usual.
                  Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

                  "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

                  ‎"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack Obama

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                  • rwh11385
                    lance_entities
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 18403

                    #309
                    Originally posted by joshh
                    We're talking about their platform now aren't we.



                    My point is maintained very well. The Fair Tax is far from worked out well. As I show there. Yet there's Mr. Libertarian siding with the Fair Tax...yet it's unworkable as it sits.

                    Nice link from The New York Times...lol. But I've seen with my own eyes the jobs immigrants take from Americans in construction. And they aren't general labor workers. They're skilled laborers. Plus your link doesn't take into account the fact 23 million Americans are either unemployed or under employed while you cry about population growth. Not making sense there bud.

                    Ah yes and another logical fallacy from you because you choose to alter my ideas. Which just makes you look desperate again...as usual.
                    Why do you not share your criticism of Republicans support of a flat tax or fairtax and focus only on Libertarian support of it? Biased much?

                    Sorry you competed with immigrants and hold a personal grudge against them because of it. But they help grow the economy. If only the longterm unemployed had an immigrants mentality to do work, any work, instead of holding out for their old job to come back or be paid the same amount we could cut the unemployed number almost in half. But people in construction, secretaries, and similar fields that have reduced demand hold out instead of switching.

                    What logical fallacy did I make? You assume that no one will stop a party from implementing its platforum in full yet provide no rationale that it would actually occur - except that liberals don't have the balls to stand up against it. You don't think Republicans would pick and choose elements they like and use the support for smaller government and a VAT along with lower marginal income tax rates and business taxes, while Democrats enjoy the support for more civil liberties? Do you have any good reasoning why everything would go POOF and a minority party would overpower the existing powers and enforce its policies on everyone without any checks or balances?

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                    • gwb72tii
                      No R3VLimiter
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 3864

                      #310
                      Originally posted by rwh11385
                      Let states manage money for Medicare directly via block grants like Ryan wants?
                      fail
                      “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
                      Sir Winston Churchill

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                      • rwh11385
                        lance_entities
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 18403

                        #311
                        Originally posted by gwb72tii
                        fail
                        Strategies are the same - give up federal control for states to make choices for themselves. And believe states can be more efficient.

                        The trouble is people criticizing the libertarian economic policies also open up the Republican ones to the same since they are similar. It's not fair to have a double standard that when one party says something it is a good idea but crazy when another says the same.
                        Last edited by rwh11385; 10-29-2012, 10:53 AM.

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                        • gwb72tii
                          No R3VLimiter
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 3864

                          #312
                          its mediCAID
                          “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
                          Sir Winston Churchill

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                          • rwh11385
                            lance_entities
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 18403

                            #313
                            Originally posted by gwb72tii
                            its mediCAID
                            Yeah, and explain how the strategies are fundamentally different. Johnson wants to do with Medicare and Medicaid exactly what Ryan wants to do with just Medicaid. Attacking Johnson's policy directly brings Ryan's under criticism.

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                            • Kershaw
                              R3V OG
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 11822

                              #314
                              AWD > RWD

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                              • mrsleeve
                                I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                                • Mar 2005
                                • 16385

                                #315
                                ^

                                I bet you can do just the opposite out there too if you look at a few more items
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