Hey Oregonians (joshh, Corvallis, etc), you better be voting to legalize pot.
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A more technical name for anarchists is "libertarian socialists."
I'll probably vote for Gary Johnson this election. I am certainly no economic expert so I can't honestly say I'm on board with libertarian economic ideas, but I also can't claim to believe in the economic ideas of the Green Party either. Either one is better than Obama-Romney, though. At least you have more reason to believe they mean what they say.
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No actually it's not at all. Libertarians want far less government than even hardcore conservatives do. The lack of government equals Anarchy. And if you were reading (which you clearly were not) I did not say Libertarians were Anarchists. Get that through your thick liberal head. Their policies will bring on Anarchy is what I was explaining. You can disagree all you like by mud slinging yourself and creating your own double standard which is typical of you liberals.
By the way, I don't post for pure acceptance of other people like you do.Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison
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Hey genius, Libertarians don't believe in social programs...LMFAO. Fuck that's one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. Do some reading on the Libertarian platform. It's about self reliance and tiny government. And that also means a very small military as well.
"....and all the rest......Poverty and Welfare
Highlights of the Libertarian Party's "Ending the Welfare State" Proposal
From across the political and ideological spectrum, there is now almost universal acknowledgement that the American social welfare system has been a failure.
Since the start of the "war on poverty" in 1965, the United States has spent more than $5 trillion trying to ease the plight of the poor. What we have received for this massive investment is -- primarily -- more poverty.
Our welfare system is unfair to everyone: to taxpayers who must pick up the bill for failed programs; to society, whose mediating institutions of community, church and family are increasingly pushed aside; and most of all to the poor themselves, who are trapped in a system that destroys opportunity for themselves and hope for their children.
The Libertarian Party believes it is time for a new approach to fighting poverty. It is a program based on opportunity, work, and individual responsibility.
Poverty and Welfare
Highlights of the Libertarian Party's "Ending the Welfare State" Proposal
From across the political and ideological spectrum, there is now almost universal acknowledgement that the American social welfare system has been a failure.
Since the start of the "war on poverty" in 1965, the United States has spent more than $5 trillion trying to ease the plight of the poor. What we have received for this massive investment is -- primarily -- more poverty.
Our welfare system is unfair to everyone: to taxpayers who must pick up the bill for failed programs; to society, whose mediating institutions of community, church and family are increasingly pushed aside; and most of all to the poor themselves, who are trapped in a system that destroys opportunity for themselves and hope for their children.
The Libertarian Party believes it is time for a new approach to fighting poverty. It is a program based on opportunity, work, and individual responsibility.
1. End Welfare
None of the proposals currently being advanced by either conservatives or liberals is likely to fix the fundamental problems with our welfare system. Current proposals for welfare reform, including block grants, job training, and "workfare" represent mere tinkering with a failed system.
It is time to recognize that welfare cannot be reformed: it should be ended.
We should eliminate the entire social welfare system. This includes eliminating food stamps, subsidized housing, and all the rest. Individuals who are unable to fully support themselves and their families through the job market must, once again, learn to rely on supportive family, church, community, or private charity to bridge the gap.
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"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison
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I really need to make the Bingo game already...
False dilemma - It's either the Republican version of small government, or anarchy
Ad hominem - It's laughable that you say anyone else has a thick head...
Guilt by Association - "Typical of you liberals..."
Slippery Slope - Voting for Gary Johnson will bring Anarchy / policies will instantly equal results without input/influence from others.
Ad nauseam - Saying the same thing 4-5 times doesn't make it a stronger point
Appeal to motive - You try to claim that CorvallisBMW doesn't post out of a logical argument but for acceptance instead, since you don't care how many people think your posts are worthless or that you're a troll, that means your posts are more valid?Comment
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Last edited by joshh; 10-28-2012, 04:41 PM.Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison
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hey, just thought i'd comment on your sig regarding... "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." - Barack Obama.
that made me very outraged when i heard him say that. i immediately went to romney's site and purchased his tee saying "Government didn't build my business, I did." couldn't be more proud when i wear that shirt around, even with all the weird and nasty looks i receive.
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Riiiiiight. That, and all the examples I pointed out that your argument is based entirely on logical fallacies.
Maybe if you used logic and reason people wouldn't attack your posts as often? They certainly would be of more (or any) value/worth if you brought to the table anything but fallacies.Comment
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I love wearing shirts like that or bumper stickers. The bumper stickers have to be on magnets so the liberals ( the tolerance crowed) don't key your car though. So you place them strategically.
So instead of making a logical discussion/response out of it. It's easier for you to attack the person. Time and time again. It's become your forte. It makes it impossible for it to be a discussion. No matter what I post even with facts as I've already done (you ignore those posts) you just attack....just like how you pulled all my "negative" gay posts and left out my positive ones. Making you extremely biased and showing you're far more interested in the attack than the discussion.Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison
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I'm sorry you take the attacks on your logical fallacies personally, maybe you should work to make your arguments based on logic and reason instead. It is a logical discussion to point out all the fallacies you fill your "arguments" with. Do you usually find success in the drivel that you spew here?
Oh, so your disrespect for gay rights should be made okay because you think they are nice when they offer to share their lunch with you? Oh wait, that was illegals. Saying you don't have a problem with them as long as they aren't in your face but disregarding their civil liberties is still negative towards them, even if you believe you aren't. It's not cherry picking an argument (which was the fallacy you should have been alluding to) because no quantity of posts that showed positive opinion of them would nullify your disrespect of their rights.
No, I'm far more interested in an intelligent and logical discussion of ideas, instead of a poorly argued bullshit outpouring of false dilemmas and slippery slopes. You try to make a debate into a simplistic black and white issue, but they hardly ever are. That destroys any possibility to have any meaningful discussion, as you simply ad nauseam your viewpoint and don't listen to any logic that explains why your argument is poor. I am biased against illogical bull, but apparently you bask in it.
Bottom line: YOU CANNOT DEFEND YOUR LOGICAL FALLACIES BY CLAIMING THAT POINTING THEM OUT IS A PERSONAL ATTACKLast edited by rwh11385; 10-28-2012, 06:32 PM.Comment
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Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack ObamaComment
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The Complex Question - The fallacy of demanding a direct answer to a question that cannot be answered without first analyzing or challenging the basis of the question itself.
Forcing a question to be based on if "they got everything they wanted" is a flawed argument since the premise is highly unlikely and biased towards your conclusion.
Keep trying to defend poor logic by saying proving you are using illogical arguments are insults. . . they won't make your points valid.Comment
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Ah yes it would. That's the whole point. What that party intends to bring to this country. Just like what the Democrats and Republicans want to bring to this country. That is a logical argument as much as you might hate it.
Now you're going to say something as asinine as their agenda will never make it as a whole into this country. Well take a look at the Democrats. They've gotten very much of what they wanted socially (all the social programs ) and more. The only thing holding them in check are the evil Republicans...who are for the social programs as well.
You just simply fail at making a real argument against it because insults are far easier for you. As your last two pages of posts prove. Because you know the Libertarian platform can't produce enough taxes to keep this country out of trouble. People will be a more free society than they have ever been all while they walk on roads that are falling apart and fend for themselves amongst corporate tycoons that railroad over people's lives without the legal system being able to step in properly to help them.
Instead of the government being the problem, Anarchy or if you will the lack of enough government will be the problem.
"I'm going to vote for a Communist because I want larger government. But I don't like all of their policies. And it's impossible that all their policies will ever get enacted so I'll vote for them. Yep...and maybe that will make the change I want." That's your logic.
In other words you're avoiding talking about the Libertarian platform at all cost.Last edited by joshh; 10-28-2012, 07:16 PM.Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison
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No, that is not a logical argument. You wouldn't know what a logical argument was if it hit you in the face. A logical argument must be based on logical and valid premises, not assumptions or a poor basis.
So... you argue their agenda would make it all the way as a whole like the Democrats, which you just admitted were limited by Republicans. You were able to disprove your own point in a few sentences.
What's still ironic is you claiming someone else cannot make a real argument. Almost as ironic as you emphasizing what Obama was talking about in regards to maintaining infrastructure, even as you take his words out of context in your signature.
So now you are attacking people who vote for Gary Johnson because it is as bad in your mind as voting for the Communist party??Last edited by rwh11385; 10-28-2012, 07:32 PM.Comment
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