Presidential debate...

[Vedubin01]

"you have to pass it to know whats in it"

[Kershaw]

*yawn*

lame...

[Cliche Guevara]

How many cop-outs do you think we'll get from the Romney supporters before one of them admits that his refusal to explain his plan is fucking retarded?

[Vedubin01]

How many cop-outs do you think we'll get from the Romney supporters before one of them admits that his refusal to explain his plan is fucking retarded?

Transparency right?

[Cliche Guevara]

We're up to two, now. Nice deflections.

[herbivor]

I found Obama missed a few opportunities to really stick it to Romney on Obamacare. Romney basically wants to keep all the good things while removing the things that pay for them. Same with Dodd Frank, his tax cuts, and Medicare. Come to think of it just about anything he proposes doesn't have a strategy for paying for it.
Anyway, if you want a more fiscal conservative, more job creation, and more economic growth, you have a better chance with a democrat than a republican president when you look at the past 70 years.

[mrsleeve]

Apparently, I'm supposed to be more pissed about what Mitten is doing with his money than what The 0 is doing with mine.



Nice try there herbie:

January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress for the 1st time in a dozen years.

At the time, The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77, The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%, The Unemployment rate was 4.6%, George Bush ' s Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH!!!!!!!!

January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.

The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?

THE FUCKING BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES SECTOR !!!!!

Yup all Bush and the Republicans huh :crazy:

[Cliche Guevara]

YES!!! CORRELATION ALWAYS EQUALS CAUSATION!!!

Come on, man, that's a ridiculous argument and you know it.

[mrsleeve]

Is it really

Or shall we continue with the fun facts of the matter

5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans dumped on the economy from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Thanks to the direct implications of Dodd/Frank

Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011. The first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush kinda got cold feet with spending increases.

In 09 Madam Nan & Harry pulled and end run around Bush, passing continuing resolutions to keep govt running until the 0 could take over. The same time a massive omnibus spending bill was passed to complete the 2009 budgets. The 0 was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the fucking thing as POTUS in 2009 .

The Democrats inherited a deficit yes, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in 5 fucking years, the 4th or 5th straight year of declining deficit spending. After that, Dems in Congress took control of spending, and that includes, the 0 who voted for those god dammed things. They still have YET to pass a fucking budget................................

If Obama inherited any fucking thing, he inherited it from himself.

Yeah the Dems, the 0 and Dodd/Frank Nan and Reid, had absolutely nothing to do with any of it, it must have all been those evil evil conservatives.

[joshh]

Is it really

Or shall we continue with the fun facts of the matter

5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans dumped on the economy from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Thanks to the direct implications of Dodd/Frank

Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011. The first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush kinda got cold feet with spending increases.

In 09 Madam Nan & Harry pulled and end run around Bush, passing continuing resolutions to keep govt running until the 0 could take over. The same time a massive omnibus spending bill was passed to complete the 2009 budgets. The 0 was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the fucking thing as POTUS in 2009 .

The Democrats inherited a deficit yes, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in 5 fucking years, the 4th or 5th straight year of declining deficit spending. After that, Dems in Congress took control of spending, and that includes, the 0 who voted for those god dammed things. They still have YET to pass a fucking budget................................

If Obama inherited any fucking thing, he inherited it from himself.

Yeah the Dems, the 0 and Dodd/Frank Nan and Reid, had absolutely nothing to do with any of it, it must have all been those evil evil conservatives.

They like to deny the facts. This was a two party disaster.




Let's not forget Obama is taking credit for Bush bailing out the auto industry.....

[joshh]

what exactly are you addressing? in detail please.


RE: taxes and job growth/loss.. never in all my years have i heard my father, a small business owner, say 'gee, taxes are high, i'm gonna have to lay off one of my guys'. small businesses can't afford to lose competent, trained employees. they tough it out together because the alternative is too costly in the long run.

by contrast, corporations can cut people left and right because ultimately, they don't care about their employees, and their employees don't matter to them. outsourcing, downsizing, cost-cutting, taking advantage of tax loopholes, shifty investment strategies.. it's all driven by corporate greed. shall we continue to pander to that mentality?



let people be laid off. let them find other work with a smaller company, a newer company, a company that gives a shit.. and let the giants crumble under their own poor employee-employer relations strategies. and in the meantime, let these people collect a little unemployment. it's not like they're living the high life off of their $200/week checks. you guys paint such a fantastically overblown picture of people who receive entitlements. where is your human side? or are you as soulless as the corporate fucks who continue to puppeteer our economy?

You said the government should not be run like a business. Then what should it be run like. What kind of detail am I supposed to give with a simplistic question like that?

You mean it's evil to let people take 2.5 years off while they collect unemployment if they like while those who are really trying pay their fucking way.

[e30e]

Is it really

Or shall we continue with the fun facts of the matter

5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans dumped on the economy from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Thanks to the direct implications of Dodd/Frank

Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011. The first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush kinda got cold feet with spending increases.

In 09 Madam Nan & Harry pulled and end run around Bush, passing continuing resolutions to keep govt running until the 0 could take over. The same time a massive omnibus spending bill was passed to complete the 2009 budgets. The 0 was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the fucking thing as POTUS in 2009 .

The Democrats inherited a deficit yes, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in 5 fucking years, the 4th or 5th straight year of declining deficit spending. After that, Dems in Congress took control of spending, and that includes, the 0 who voted for those god dammed things. They still have YET to pass a fucking budget................................

If Obama inherited any fucking thing, he inherited it from himself.

Yeah the Dems, the 0 and Dodd/Frank Nan and Reid, had absolutely nothing to do with any of it, it must have all been those evil evil conservatives.

So both sides are assholes, while one guy wants to keep unions in power and keep our taxes about the same (if you suddenly became dense and forgot your job is unionized although I'm sure you have some regret, O is for you) AND the other wants to fuck the unions and raise our taxes on us because we make less than 250k (Mormon monster)...So let me guess you'll vote for mitten cakes because you slaughter the guy who will benefit you most because you can't quote some 200 year old quote.....

Dude its simple this world is about what does the most for you and this election; its the O man. Voting our countries politics is a less of two evils....My vote is cancelled out by Mormons and idiots in sun city.

[joshh]

So both sides are assholes, while one guy wants to keep unions in power and keep our taxes about the same (if you suddenly became dense and forgot your job is unionized although I'm sure you have some regret, O is for you) AND the other wants to fuck the unions and raise our taxes on us because we make less than 250k (Mormon monster)...So let me guess you'll vote for mitten cakes because you slaughter the guy who will benefit you most because you can't quote some 200 year old quote.....

Dude its simple this world is about what does the most for you and this election; its the O man. Voting our countries politics is a less of two evils....My vote is cancelled out by Mormons and idiots in sun city.

So you have no clue how Obama care is going to fuck us yet then. And you're making shit up otherwise...

Here's you're boy at work...

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katehicks/2012/09/29/obama_administration_to_defense_contractors_no_layoff_notices_until_after_election_please

The Labor Department issued guidance in July saying it would be “inappropriate” for contractors to issue notices of potential layoffs tied to sequestration cuts. But a few contractors, most notably Lockheed Martin, said they still were considering whether to issue the notices — which would be sent out just days before the November election.

But the Friday guidance from the Office of Management and Budget raised the stakes in the dispute, telling contractors that they would be compensated for legal costs if layoffs occur due to contract cancellations under sequestration — but only if the contractors follow the Labor guidance.

The guidance said that if plant closings or mass layoffs occur under sequestration, then “employee compensation costs for [Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification] WARN act liability as determined by a court” would be paid for covered by the contracting federal agency.

Senate Republicans, who accused the White House of trying to hide job losses after the first guidance, said Friday that the new OMB statement “puts politics ahead of American workers.”

“The Obama Administration is cynically trying to skirt the WARN Act to keep the American people in the dark about this looming national security and fiscal crisis,” Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) said in a statement. “The president should insist that companies act in accordance with the clearly stated law and move forward with the layoff notices.”

The fight over WARN Act notices began in June when Lockheed Martin CEO Bob Stevens said his company might send the notices to all 123,000 of its employees.

Some companies were hesitant to follow Lockheed, but several others told McCain in letters earlier this month they might send the notices, too, despite the Labor Department guidance.

[Kershaw]

Could you not call our President boy? That's pretty fucking racist, i don't care what slang you think you are using.

[mar1t1me]

Let's not forget Obama is taking credit for Bush bailing out the auto industry.....

Don't you mean getting blamed for it? Romney is on record as stating we should "let Detroit go bankrupt". But now, he wishes to take some credit for doing just the opposite. This guy is truly insane!

Obama's no angel, but this vulture capitalist is not going to work for the rest of us. His track record is ignored at our own peril.