Not that it matters but, gays?

[LBJefferies]

i read that post on reddit. he wasnt encouraging his kid to be gay. the kid simply asked if 2 guys can be together or 2 women. the dad simply said yes, if they love each other. the kid said ok. i didnt see that as encouraging anyone.

not to mention, your argument is completely nonsensical. society is all about normative behavior. you cant have a society without encouraging what's considered ok. we just have to make being gay a perfectly ok norm in society. it's getting there. sexuality is not entirely a personal thing. it's a very social thing and it involves more than just 1 person. sexuality is based very much on the society you grow up in.

yes, im taking this seriously. denigration of a group of people is not something to take lightly. sleeve knew this off the bat how this was going to end. you cant simply say, "i think we should hide gay people from kids." and then say it's all just lighthearted fun. wtf is that? how is that going to make gay kids (and some know they are attracted to boys from a really early age, like 6 or 7) feel socially accepted? it's not. they're going to feel like they dont belong.

First off, that is not the thread I was talking about. In the thread I was talking about, without any specific reason, a father just thought he should write a letter to his young children about how it was ok to be gay. And yes he was right that it is ok to be gay, but he should not be going out of his way to preach to his young children who don't have any fucking idea what a gay person is. You're seeding ideas into their heads when they should be worrying about arithmetic and how to catch a baseball. Second, you're completely misunderstanding what I was saying. I never said we should hide gay people from kids. I don't hold that view in any way shape or form and I didn't even imply that in any way. The fact that you THINK that is what I was saying shows that you continue to misunderstand my view. I am saying that parents should not be in the business of encouraging their kids to be either gay OR straight, especially at the age of 8.

Sexuality is a personal thing, like religious beliefs, and encouraging one view over another puts unnecessary pressure on kids to conform to what their peers want. And it's not just the religious whack jobs that are guilty of encouraging heterosexuality, the gay community is guilty of encouraging homosexuality as well. This is very prevalent when you hear them speak of bisexuals as "confused" and when you hear them encourage certain people to "just come out of the closet already".

My point is that people need to just shut their mouths about what is morally right, and what their particular opinion is. Their opinions don't matter one bit. If you don't like gays, then don't be one. And if you don't like straight people because they procreate, then be as gay as you want and don't make babies. No one should have any authority over the sexuality of another. Quite frankly, a discussion of gay rights and morals and taking sides on the matter just perpetuates the issue.

[Vtec?lol]

Kershaw, And that's ok, nobody said that my way of thinking was the right way. That's why we share thoughts and feelings. However, getting heated isn't going to spread your views across any easier or make them even more valid.

I'm actually losing a good friend to aids right now. A part of me is mad at him for hiding it but then again I have no right to be angry. We talked a good bit about why he went gay and he told me about his younger experience. He also wished that the guy that put the idea in his head was never around and he would live his life happy and with a family. I honestly don't know what to think. But it does make me question, is it ok? Is it normal?

N
Once again, this is why the thread is here. Inform the biased and ignorant. Shed some light.

[LBJefferies]

Kershaw, And that's ok, nobody said that my way of thinking was the right way. That's why we share thoughts and feelings. However, getting heated isn't going to spread your views across any easier or make them even more valid.

I'm actually losing a good friend to aids right now. A part of me is mad at him for hiding it but then again I have no right to be angry. We talked a good bit about why he went gay and he told me about his younger experience. He also wished that the guy that put the idea in his head was never around and he would live his life happy and with a family. I honestly don't know what to think. But it does make me question, is it ok? Is it normal?

N
Once again, this is why the thread is here. Inform the biased and ignorant. Shed some light.

Wtf did I just read?

[Vtec?lol]

You read craziness.

[xxx-Lost-Soul-xxx]

Does R3V Have a Popcorn emoticon? Oh no.

[iamsam]

I too have wondered if gayness is genetic, or a pure choice.

I, for one, can't see how it is pure choice. It seems to me that if I was to choose to be gay, it would take a heck of a lot more than pure will to make me suddenly overcome with desire to slob the knob.

[herbivor]

I too have wondered if gayness is genetic, or a pure choice.

I, for one, can't see how it is pure choice. It seems to me that if I was to choose to be gay, it would take a heck of a lot more than pure will to make me suddenly overcome with desire to slob the knob.

Imagine if you lived in a world where liking big tits was considered "gay" and frowned upon. I would still like big tits and want to suckle on them, not by choice but pure desire. It's the same thing for those that are gay.

Gayness is not genetic or a choice, it falls in the field of epi-genetics, which is like influencing the gene code through environmental factors. The environmental factors in this case are hypothesized to be the hormonal signals of the mother during labor. That is why it is possible for identical twins to have different sexual orientation.

[frankenbeemer]

Imagine if you lived in a world where liking big tits was considered "gay" and frowned upon. I would still like big tits and want to suckle on them, not by choice but pure desire. It's the same thing for those that are gay.

Gayness is not genetic or a choice, it falls in the field of epi-genetics, which is like influencing the gene code through environmental factors. The environmental factors in this case are hypothesized to be the hormonal signals of the mother during labor. That is why it is possible for identical twins to have different sexual orientation.

If this is true, then being gay could also be a (partly) something of a choice, like a foot fetish? Serious question. I should elaborate, but I won't yet.

Now, should I put on my flamesuit, or retire to the bar to hang out with my research chemist friend and his flamboyant partner?


I also like to point out that the poll choices seem chauvinistic.

[Rsully70sev]

1. you say you have no problem with it, but then you say it should be kept behind closed doors. that's pretty dumb.

2. also, your poll is not very well thought out. how about some options for supporting gay rights. i'm not gay, but i wholeheartedly support all gay rights. include the right to walk around in a pink bikini with giant fucking pink wings and acting all sassy.

3. freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

4. how about you not look? im pretty sure they dont appreciate some dude gawking at them. germany has this great social policy that basically amounts to, if you looked, it's your own damn problem. that's why nudity is no big deal over there.

5. since the research lends itself to saying that homosexuality is genetic, you can tell your kids being gay is fine all you want. it's not going to make them any more or less gay. i dont see how it could be seen as harmful.

6. lbj, why should society not encourage it? is it harmful to society? are we suddenly going to have an ikea deficiency because there are too many gay couples and not enough trendy furniture stores? gay couples tend to be better educated, wealthier, and they adopt. so i dont see a bad side, some kind of strain on society, that they are emitting that you would say to not encourage it. maybe it's because they cant reproduce? that's great. we dont need more people. but we do have plenty of babies given up for adoption.

7. and if everyone should have their sense of equality, why are you making a big deal about it? that's not equal. i havent seen a poll option about those straight people, that are currently overpopulating and fucking up the planet.

8. not to mention, your argument is completely nonsensical. society is all about normative behavior. you cant have a society without encouraging what's considered ok. we just have to make being gay a perfectly ok norm in society. it's getting there. sexuality is not entirely a personal thing. it's a very social thing and it involves more than just 1 person. sexuality is based very much on the society you grow up in.

9. yes, im taking this seriously. denigration of a group of people is not something to take lightly. sleeve knew this off the bat how this was going to end. you cant simply say, "i think we should hide gay people from kids." and then say it's all just lighthearted fun. wtf is that? how is that going to make gay kids (and some know they are attracted to boys from a really early age, like 6 or 7) feel socially accepted? it's not. they're going to feel like they dont belong.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Summed it up perfectly

[joshh]

All Kershaw has shown here is that you can teach children anything.

I have a problem with anyone pushing their anything in my face. Being gay will not prevent me from being friends with someone. If it comes up in casual conversation...
Even with me being extremely conservative. If my child has very feminine/masculine qualities I would still try to steer him/her toward females/males and if he/she ended up being gay I would be fine with it.
But I still don't consider being gay normal.

[Vtec?lol]

And isn't media today kinda shoving it in people face? Kinda like politics/religion/sex/drugs its all out there but homosexuality is becoming more an more trendy and socially encouraged, not just accepted.

[slammin.e28]

Go be gay, just don't push it on me.

I know a few older, gay couples and they are cool as shit. One guy is big into European sports cars. Just got a new 330d.

It's the flamers I can't stand. Don't push your lifestyle on me. I'm just trying to soup up my e28s.

[xxx-Lost-Soul-xxx]

Im gonna get flamed for this,but i dont care.

If you didnt know,im a Lesbian. When i was a child I Always felt different,and couldn't understand what was going on. When i was around 7 i started dressing and acting like a boy. The doctors felt i was Transgendered.

When i was 17 I started Male testosterone. Around 18 I realized that I didn't wanna to be a become a boy,and stopped,I just acted and dressed like one.

I am What they call Androgynous,I can go between and look either sex.

I Will agree that alot of people say there gay when there not, Girls for example. Alot of them do it for the attention.

I have a few friends who are Transgendered M2F. And the biggest type of Guy they get,The straight male. Ive been clubbing with them,at both Gay and straight clubs and the guy will try to go to town on them knowing she has junk in her skirt.

I can understand how people dont wanna get the gay card thrown in there face,its weird. Yes some Gay people go overboard.
The ones who say "I can convert you" Stfu! No one wants you do that. argh!

All we want is to be is left alone,it gets really old Having to show people your carrying a knife to leave you alone.

[be34st]

:wgaf: if your gay, do you're thing. Just not with me, Like slammin said. We've got alot of gay dude here at work. I'm cool with all of them except the one that hits on me and the other one that dresses like a man except wheres high heeled shoes. Other than that the rest of them are cool.

They even do drag and shit which I think is weird but hey man, this is America, to each their own.

[Kershaw]

I have a problem with anyone pushing their anything in my face..

So I take it you hate everything in society? Like James Bond? I bet you hate that franchise. Also, I bet you hate BMW or anything else with a cultural identity.

I can't believe you don't think that taking your kid to see a movie, letting them watch tv, read the newspaper, etc is not pushing beliefs on them. Society is based on pushing your normative beliefs on others. It's not a group unless you have some underlying belief or view that ties all members together.

Showing your kids Dr. No, Die Hard 2, or Expendables is forcing your kid to see a very hetero normative view point. If you think movies are not influential, you need to reconsider your views.

Don't believe me? Fine. Consider this, when a group is ostracizing an individual, the easiest way to get them to modify their behavior is for an authority figure to point out that they aren't really very differently, ie, they are all Americans, or Christians, or car lovers, or big titty lovers.., etc

Lost, no worries, you're not going to get flamed. The bigots here are really only concerned about gays, not lesbians. I've been called gay quite a few times by them and read quite a few hateful things they've posted. Believe me, they'd rather call me a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles, than you rugmuncher or w/e.