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  • rwh11385
    lance_entities
    • Oct 2003
    • 18403

    #31
    Originally posted by gwb72tii
    this is plain wrong. you don't actually know what private equity is.
    Even from NY Times...
    Private equity-owned companies are much less likely to be liquidated when the going gets tough, according to a study by Moody’s Investors Service. The author writes that private equity does more to save jobs at struggling companies than other types of owners do.


    In Tough Times, Private Equity Saves Jobs
    Moody’s data shows that such companies are much less likely to be liquidated when the going gets tough. It turns out that private equity does more to save the jobs of workers at struggling companies than other types of owners do.

    Most surprising, if a private equity-owned company defaults on its debt, it is half as likely to be liquidated as its counterparts. The Moody’s report notes that “a much higher percentage of bankrupt LBOs were acquired or emerged from bankruptcy instead of being liquidated.” When companies are acquired or emerge from bankruptcy, jobs are much more likely to be preserved than when the enterprise is liquidated.

    There is no doubt that the debate over whether private equity creates more jobs than it eliminates will continue until the November election — and beyond. This is a debate worth hearing, given the importance of private equity in our economy. However, the Moody’s report should put an end to the “destroyer of companies” slander of private equity, but we’ll see.
    Even the White House finds them useful to keep troubled companies going: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...330597966.html

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentr...-about-growth/
    Private Equity Isn't About Greed; It's About Growth
    Recent political attacks against private equity firms portray them as “vampire” capitalists that suck the life out of businesses and leave a slew of unemployed in their path. This is simply misleading and a gross misrepresentation of actual facts.

    Private equity helps produce strong companies, promotes innovation and spurs job growth. Private equity funds a substantial amount of new businesses and is the source of capital to rejuvenate failing businesses, which are major drivers of job growth in this economy. Millions of jobs have been created at companies like Domino’s Pizza, Staples, Macy’s and Toys “R” Us, all of whom depended on the leadership and capital from private equity firms. In fact, private equity firms invested more than $144 billion in 1,702 U.S.-based companies in 2011.

    There is no denying that downsizing can happen when a company receives private equity funding. It is unfortunate and hard on everyone who is affected. But the part that isn’t being talked about by many on the left is that these cuts happen most often for the survival of the company. The alternative is to continue to over spend until the business goes bankrupt and all the employees lose their jobs. These difficult decisions are critical to grow the company and grow jobs. I know this for a fact, having restructured and grown two companies into significant enterprises that created thousands of jobs and billions of dollars of shareholder value.

    [...]

    Bashing private equity, stifling business with regulations, trying to drive economic growth with trillions of dollars of government spending and over taxing success is like killing the golden goose. Instead, we should enthusiastically support major sources of private-sector high-quality job growth like private equity, have a more balanced approach to regulation and encourage business formation with a tax policy that encourages investment and innovation.
    But politics makes people not worry about facts to slander their opponent.

    Originally posted by tjts1
    Its precisely this kind of knee jerk I know better therefore I'm right and I can talk down to you BS that really turned people off to Republicans. You're not winning hearts and minds here. I get it, you're angry but that's the only message you're putting out there. I hope the right wing unlearns this bad habit at some point because its bad enough having a 2 party system. Having one party for the nut jobs and another for everybody else isn't going to work.
    Indeed, his appeal to authority is annoying and he types arguments like a child, but at the same time, holme's comment isn't based in fact. It's a Big Lie Technique - keep repeating a campaign slogan and it becomes "true" to their followers, regardless of simplicity inaccurately portraying reality.

    Originally posted by LBJefferies
    But his idea of running a successful business is to liquidate and outsource to China. And were supposed to expect this man to create jobs here?
    Private equity is not about running successful businesses, it's about bailing out companies that have lazy management, missed the shifting business environment, or got stomped by competition. Investment opportunities generally exist because the business screwed up somehow and PE is the people who come in and pick up the mess, instead of it crumbling completely. Successful businesses might pay for consultants to come in and tell them how to run better or avoid issues... and PE is the wealthy clean up crew when shit has already hit the fan. Sometimes hard decisions need to be made - but mostly because they weren't made by the company's management before problems arose.

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    • mrsleeve
      I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
      • Mar 2005
      • 16385

      #32
      Originally posted by rwh11385

      Private equity is not about running successful businesses, it's about bailing out companies that have lazy management, missed the shifting business environment, or got stomped by competition. Investment opportunities generally exist because the business screwed up somehow and PE is the people who come in and pick up the mess, instead of it crumbling completely. Successful businesses might pay for consultants to come in and tell them how to run better or avoid issues... and PE is the wealthy clean up crew when shit has already hit the fan. Sometimes hard decisions need to be made - but mostly because they weren't made by the company's management before problems arose.
      This whole statement, and particularity the part in bold.

      Sounds like an accurate description of our govts ( at all levels) current state of affairs doesn't it ???

      His experience in this sort of situation is kinda why even though I dont like, nor did I vote for mitten. I think he would have been good for the country, in a fiscal sense at least....
      Originally posted by Fusion
      If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
      The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


      The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
      William Pitt-

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      • rwh11385
        lance_entities
        • Oct 2003
        • 18403

        #33
        Originally posted by mrsleeve
        This whole statement, and particularity the part in bold.

        Sounds like an accurate description of our govts ( at all levels) current state of affairs doesn't it ???

        His experience in this sort of situation is kinda why even though I dont like, nor did I vote for mitten. I think he would have been good for the country, in a fiscal sense at least....
        The current concern over fiscal cliff, like the budget ratification one and the debt ceiling, underline how pathetic the government is at running itself effectively, sadly. Indeed, the more difficult challenge will be how to keep mandatory spending from ballooning up into the future to a level we can't afford. But both sides seemingly want to hold things close to their heart instead of working together rationally. I hope they can find a reasonable compromise for tax rates before Jan.

        Like the troubled companies that get taken under PE's wing, the nation has a lot of debt and needs help to get things back under control. But the board of directors being in a constant pissing match doesn't help either. The right blame Obama but can't really say their recent leadership did great with deficits either. The left can look to Clinton, but fail to see the same responsible management of entitlement costs that he did is now villianized when suggested by Ryan. It's not these black and white issues that pundits or politicians want us to believe - but very much in the gray. Even Thomas Friedman wrote the problems we are facing could be helped with Republican merit-based, market-driven ideas... if the right come back to the table and work with others instead of against to fix problems.


        I mentioned before that I liked him previously... but that was mostly in comparison to the loony tunes competition in the primaries. The more he talked to get party support, the more I grew sick. As holmes said, he criticized the ACA which was modeled after his own program [hypocrite] and flopped his moderate position on most things. I don't think that his religion should be held against him, as long as he isn't holding it against us (evangelicals). But what really ticks me off on both sides, but especially Romney/Ryan was the disrespect for facts and pushing the boundary between campaigning cherry picking and blatant lying.

        Politicians should run on good ideas and truth, not mislead supporters based on BS. Don't think I overlook Obama's class warfare rhetoric either - I can't count the times I've hated on that.

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        • mrsleeve
          I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
          • Mar 2005
          • 16385

          #34
          when your right your right heeter


          I tried to avoid as much of the mud slinging and election run up as I could. I concentrated most of my major concern to my local contests and ballots.

          There will be some sever repercussions to this election mark my words there will be a pile of lay offs (starting right now), and the number of under employed is going to sky rocket soon, as many small business cut employee hours to get under the magic number 30.
          Originally posted by Fusion
          If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
          The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


          The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

          Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
          William Pitt-

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          • Morrison
            E30 Addict
            • May 2006
            • 430

            #35
            This article would also predict that layoffs are impending. But it doesn't point to causation by the election, rather the calendar:

            "I think we consider too much the good luck of the early bird and not enough the bad luck of the early worm."
            -Franklin D. Roosevelt

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            • ck_taft325is
              R3V OG
              • Sep 2007
              • 6880

              #36
              Heeter for President.


              Oh why didn't I like Romney? He's a Politician.
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              • Dermeister3
                E30 Enthusiast
                • Feb 2009
                • 1184

                #37
                I didn't vote for Romney because he would say anything or do anything to get elected. Granted, Obama had his fair share of falacies and remarks that made you question his integrity, but the entire Romney campaign SEEMED to just want to get elected and try and solve the national debt (which is clearly not the only issue there was in the election)

                Evidence of saying anything to get elected:
                A satirical look at his campaign, but also very eye opening
                Watch the Comedy Central shows, including The Daily Show, Chappelle's Show, Strangers with Candy, RENO 911!, Drawn Together, and more.


                And more evidence of his VP candidate just trying very hard to look good.


                Again, I'm sure Obama had his share of things like this, but I didn't vote for him either :P

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