Veganism: Is it morally wrong to eat/kill animals?

[iamsam]

I only get an hour lunch break every day.

yeah, see what I mean? It takes longer than that to kill a moose with rudimentary tools not to mention starting a fire with flint and steel to cook it...

[Nick_S]

I have numerous friends who are vegan. I agree with the purpose behind it however I would never live the lifestyle for the simple reason I LOVE seafood. Many vegans I know are pretentious and condescending towards anyone who doesn't agree with them also. Not saying all are like this but it further turns me off the idea because of the people associated with it.

[joshh]

The real question: Is it moral for vegans to feel obligated to let everyone they come in contact with know that they are a vegan?

No, sir, it is not.

:rofl:


I'll take it a step further. How is it moral for a vegan to rip a living thriving plant out of the ground killing it just for him own survival? Selfish bastards.

[evandael]

my terminology is wrong. i'm not a bowhunting enthusiast, i guess i just meant a modern fancypants bow, as opposed to something you literally make yourself.


i made a habit of eating venison that my friend's dad killed bowhunting. it tasted good, and i miss eating it, but i don't need meat to survive. with regards to the topic, i felt a little more justified eating it than i did about getting a burger at some restaurant.. but i still am 'removed' from the natural process of killing and eating another life form, and yes, it actually did bother me. every time.


i think in this day and age, distance of removal has everything to do with it. people are not aware of their impact on the earth and morality is suspended due to this ignorance. yes, humans are omnivores. but meat was not intended to command such a high proportion of the human diet, and the way that people have grown accustomed to eating so much meat is a direct result of the meat industry, as previously mentioned by Q5Quint. it does matter where we get it. it's not natural. and this willful ignorance of eating naturally is, in my opinion, morally compromised.


regarding your example of going out to eat; if eating meat of questionable origin, morality, and content doesn't bother you, IDGAF. but i find that with every convenience (burgerz steak bacon and mcnuggets everyday!) comes a sacrifice, and to me, that's a sacrifice of my moral standing as part of the chain of life. i care, and i go out of my way to make myself feel alright about it. if you and i went out to eat, you get a burger and i get a salad, everything would be alright. just don't fucking comment on my decision and i won't comment on yours.

[CabbE30]

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[streetwaves]

I have numerous friends who are vegan. I agree with the purpose behind it however I would never live the lifestyle for the simple reason I LOVE seafood. Many vegans I know are pretentious and condescending towards anyone who doesn't agree with them also. Not saying all are like this but it further turns me off the idea because of the people associated with it.

Word on dat seafood.

I basically eat as a flexible pescatarian. I don't morally object to say, chicken, but I prefer seafood for taste and health reasons. But I don't eat meat every meal. Once a day at most, but not every day of the week.

Plus, I do find killing fish slightly morally preferable to other animals.

[evandael]

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so what dude? what does being gay have to do about morality?

[Farbin Kaiber]

That compound bow, you didn't make that, someone else along the way helped. So, that must not be moral.

[squidmaster]

it's very wrong to murder/rape/jail animals for our own useless personal gain.

wanna know why vegans are so condescending toward carnivores (omnivores, I know, but it's more degrading to you for us vegans to use carni)? maybe because you're killing for no reason. maybe because you're raping animals for a bloody, waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles drink that humans were never supposed to drink. maybe just that it's extremely selfish and ignorant to NOT be vegan. maybe because you're actively destroying this planet by eating meat--more so than driving cars or drinking bottled water.

how many of you eat veal? do some of you think it's wrong? why? What makes it any different? What about dog? who here has eaten a dog? rabbit? cat? iguana? human? what makes it wrong or unnatural to eat those?

as sarah palin put it, "if god didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?"

[slammin.e28]

yeah, see what I mean? It takes longer than that to kill a moose with rudimentary tools not to mention starting a fire with flint and steel to cook it...

...and you live in moose country. I'd have to go to Canadia for a good one.

Crossing the border with my rudimentary tools may be problematic too.

[streetwaves]

it's very wrong to murder/rape/jail animals for our own useless personal gain.

it's extremely selfish and ignorant to NOT be vegan.

Here we go folks.

[iamsam]

regarding your example of going out to eat; if eating meat of questionable origin, morality, and content doesn't bother you, IDGAF. but i find that with every convenience (burgerz steak bacon and mcnuggets everyday!) comes a sacrifice, and to me, that's a sacrifice of my moral standing as part of the chain of life. i care, and i go out of my way to make myself feel alright about it. if you and i went out to eat, you get a burger and i get a salad, everything would be alright. just don't fucking comment on my decision and i won't comment on yours.

yeesh did I hit a nerve?

[future rs]

the industrial meat industry is, in my lax vegetarian (but not vegan) opinion, morally wrong.


if you can hunt down an animal, trap it, and kill it with your bare hands or an improvised weapon (not a gun, not a compound bow), then you are morally clear and can claim your place in the 'circle of life', an argument made previously. if you raise a hog or a cow or a chicken from its birth, care for it, and you are the one to slit its throat, drain the blood, and butcher it, then by all means, chow down.


going to Mickey D's or the supermarket ground beef aisle does not constitute a morally justified or natural means of consuming another life form. it is too far removed from the eat-or-be-eaten circle of life.

Whats wrong with guns and bows? We as humans created those.

(I am not completely disagreeing. Just don't get the concept you offered)

[RUFFLZ]

I'm fijian/indian so a majority of my dinners are vegetarian by nature because that's all my mom eats.
I've grown accustom to it, but do enjoy a nice piece of meat here and there
One time, I took a group of my white friends to a hole in the wall indian joint out in Berkeley; turns out they have never eaten a meal that didn't include meat..a bit of a culture shock to say the least.

[iamsam]

it's very wrong to murder/rape/jail animals for our own useless personal gain.

it's extremely selfish and ignorant to NOT be vegan.

aaaaand we have ourselves a condescending vegan!