Everyone is scared, everyone has guns.

[Mr. Burns]

I ran out to the corner store last night to grab some milk, bread and lunchmeats.

I put my shoes on, coat, grabed my wallet and car keys.

at no point, did I feel like I needed to grab a weapon...if I did, I'd check myself in to the coo-coo's hospital.

having to live in a state of fear where the "automatic" feeling to grab my cell phone, AND A GUN is just common practice would be fucking depressing.

[joshh]

Posted by Mike Kojima. If you know anything about the car world, you know who he is.


"Why do you NEED a semi auto 'assault' rifle??? (assault is erroneous, but thats been beaten to death)HERE IS HIS POST REGARDING GETTING OUTGUNNED WHEN YOU ARE ALONE AND NO ONE IS THERE TO HELP YOU................Quote-----"I lived in Long beach during the Rodney King riot. Me and my roommate cowered in our house for 3 days while the riot raged outside. We had an old AR15, a 12 gauge and 2 1911's between us with a few hundred rounds of ammo. Outside we could hear automatic weapons fire as every gang member in the world ran a muck. The news basically said they were getting white people and Koreans. We hastily made some bug out bags and hid. I could look Korean and my roommate was white. On the second night, a couple of gangs massed right on our street and for a moment, I thought we were gonna get overun. It was so scary. Fortunately they were just regrouping for more looting. After that I vowed I would never be outgunned again. Now that I am a husband and a father, it is my duty to never be outgunned again. So yes living in an area prone to natural disasters were people could riot, I do as a civilian need mass firepower to protect my family. I pray I never need to use it but I sleep better at night knowing that rioters will hopefully bypass me and find an easier target if it comes."

[mrsleeve]

^

Tell that to madam Fienstien of CA. this only adds fuel to her fire, and resounding strength to her plans after the 1st of the year that were in the works long before this.

[Victell]

[mrsleeve]

^
Um well maybe. This is by far not even close to the worst school massacre in US history, Bath School Massacre in 1927 45 dead and 58 wounded mostly kids, and no firearm was used.

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.an...e/disaster.htm

Look at Mexico, guns ARE BANNED in private citizens hands and they have one of the worst epidemics of gun and violence in general in all the world. By those that dont care to follow those laws. They are free to victimize and terrorize the general populace that is unable to defend them selves.

I disagree with you 100%, and depending on who your source is many experts do as well.

Ummm there are over 300m people in the US, according to most sources both pro and anti firearm, say about a 1/3 of which are firearms owners. There are conflicting numbers between the averages of 2 or 3 firearms per owner. Now lets be reasonable here that puts 200m on the low side to 300m+ on the high side of firearms in priavte hands.

According the FBI and most other govt sources the violent crime rate and and gun crime rates are continuing to drop in the US amid rising firearms ownership.


from the FBI them selves

I'm not blaming the gun, I'm blaming those who make the inanimate object accessible quite readily.

you blame is still miss placed. why not blame the fools that commit crimes in general not just with a firearm.

A vehicles function is to move you and objects from A to B, misuse of that vehicle can result in injury yes..but that is a risk associated with using it. Injury is by no means the intent. The same is true with alcohol, it is not intended to harm an individual.

All depends on the motive and the intentions of the operator just like with a firearm. ANy object can be used for good or evil, no matter the primary or originally intended purpose

A firearms sole purpose is to wound or kill living things, every time it is used is with the intent to do damage or to practice doing damage. Death is not a byproduct of the use of a firearm, it is the achievement of the intended design. I'm not going to tell you they are the same as a car/hammer/booze/stick because you're never going to agree. I think your vision of what they really are is clouded by the casual approach people have towards guns in America. You may be responsible and respectful sure, but they're still an everyday object to you. It's this casual approach that the OP started this thread for in the first place I believe.

I dont have a causal approach to firearms, I have been taught from a very early age that they are dangerous if not handled and used properly, just like a wood splitter, a hammer, a saw, a cutting torch, a car, a tractor, or anything else in day to day life. I have been taught since child hood what happens when you point a firearm at something and pull the trigger. I make a living with high intensity radioactive source material, that is by far more dangerous than a firearm. But with proper handling and respect for the possible danger involved you can use it in a safe and prudent manner.

I can understand your point and from your perspective I can see how it might seem I am casual about firearms. I honestly can, I grew up with firearms and necessary part of life growing up on a farm, I have been handling and using them since I was around 8 or so. I am comfortable with them and they are a integral part of my life and always have been. Just because I am comfortable with them by no means equates a lack of respect for the power they hold or lack of understanding of the danger they can represent when not handled properly.


Cale I have book that might help avail you of some of these fallacies you hold about guns, accessibility, crime and criminals . Its entitled More Guns Less Crime by John Lott. I know its from 1996, but the principals are still valid.
http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less.../dp/0226493636

[Kershaw]

i agree with the whole guns dont kill people, people kill people, but how can you not concede the point that guns make it very easy to kill a lot of people very quickly?

if guns were outlawed, like china or britain, these crazies would use knives. and that does happen. the only difference is that they dont kill 26 people, they wound a lot and kill very few.

of course, i do think that outlawing guns in the usa will never happen. you just cant make a few hundred million guns disappear.

[cale]

But what if the water was in a barrel, and I shoot the barrel to get the water out...

[evandael]

Nature made water quite readily accessible, and we haven't banished water from the planet, but we have passed laws that protect children from pools and being unattended in similar areas.


Lots of people still drown each year.

you're really grasping for something clever and relevant, but again, you've failed.

[mrsleeve]

^
Can I re-purpose my 22oz estwing framing hammer from a building tool to a battle hammer and use it as a back up to my hand and half broad sword for close in hand to hand work????

[Farbin Kaiber]

I'd like to wield a huge battlehammer.

[Pl3wA]

lets switch to a strictly sword based ecosystem. no guns, just medieval weapons. that'd be badass. ahh, one can dream

[Victell]

No, I'm saying we shouldn't be adding new laws like limits to how much water a single citizen can posses, or where they can possess water.

Thats a disingenuous distinction as you know those laws are not about water posession, but responsible control over who has access to potentially dangerous bodies of water.

We have vehicular and licensing laws that govern the access and use of our cars, these potentially dangerous projectiles that we enjoy, yet people are still killed by the thousands. Does that mean these laws are useless? Of course not. Should we probably have more comprehensive and frequent licensing requirements because of these deaths? Yes

[Farbin Kaiber]

No, I'm saying we shouldn't be adding new laws like limits to how much water a single citizen can posses, or where they can possess water.

[Victell]

Nature made water quite readily accessible, and we haven't banished water from the planet, but we have passed laws that protect children from pools and being unattended in similar areas.


Lots of people still drown each year.

So we shouldnt have those laws then?

[Farbin Kaiber]

Nature made water quite readily accessible, and we haven't banished water from the planet, but we have passed laws that protect children from pools and being unattended in similar areas.


Lots of people still drown each year.