The solution to gun violence is more guns. In the same way that the solution to obesity is more junk food and the solution to HIV/AIDS is more unprotected sex & needle sharing.
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Quadrajet, I posted it in the thread titled about it a while ago.
EDIT: I actually posted it in this thread.
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Ya, I've seen that over and over posted as 'proof' that this guy stopped more people from being killed.
Notice how he never confronted the shooter, and never even mentions if the shooter saw him or his gun. If a guy in a mall pulls out a gun but hides from the gunman in a store, how does that stop the shooter?Comment
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Because his weapon jammed. What's your point?
I noticed you didn't answer my post to you, but instead posted something else that isn't really a coherent argument.
The analogy doesn't really work since obesity and HIV/AIDS are usually self-inflicted problems (or your partner), whereas gun violence by definition is specifically inflicted on others, usually in large numbers. Guns can also be used as deterrents, whereas junk food can't be used as a deterrent. So yes, more guns can in theory prevent gun violence whereas more junk food cannot prevent obesity.
Now of course I am not a proponent of "give everyone guns", that just isn't realistic. But if the right people are armed in greater numbers (read: law abiding citizens), then yes, there are more opportunities to prevent gun crime. By opening up the laws for concealed carry (requiring all the background checks/tests of course) the number of "good guys" getting cwps will vastly outnumber the number of "bad guys" going through the same process, through both the application process, and pure statistics (more non-mass murderers than mass murderers exist).Comment
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Oh, I guess the criminal didn't see that the guy at one point had him in his sights. Like the good guy mentions in his interview. So once he cleared the malfunction, what was his rationale for shooting himself?
I know that there is always gonna be "Monday morning Quarterbacking" on this. I have no illusions that I'm going to change some folks minds.
I didn't know this had been posted before, I've been away from the board for days at a time. I was mainly posting this to let the information be known.Comment
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So then by this logic we should ban junk food (more people die of Heath complications related to junk food than guns in the US) and We should ban sex, and since drugs are already banned they cant be contributing to the AIDS issue.
You have learn to accept that violence in general will never go away. There will always be the odd individual that will do shit like this. There always has and there always will be.
But the a step in the right direction, for all the ills of society you are citing is better EDUCATION. Why do you fear firearms when its the stupid crazy fucking criminal that is the problem . Have you every spent any time with someone learning about them and how to use them. Have you even fired one (forgive me I think I have asked you this before and I have forgotten your answer).
Yes I said education which is what I am trying to do here educate
Kreshaw. Crime in general is falling across the US/UK/Australia in the last 10 years. In the US gun crime and mass shootings are actually on a steep decline. We have not banned the possession or carry of arms in this country and in fact in the last 10 years have strengthened those rights. And yet our crime rates and gun related crime continues to fall. Compared to when the UK/Australia imposed their bans the gun crime rates go way up, because the fucking criminals still have them and the populace does not have a simialr means to defend them selves. Also crimes committed with knives and blades sky rocket as well. I thought it out, and here of course when you have multiple cities the size of London or Sydney full of gang bangers having shoot outs with each other and killing each other our stats are going to reflect that. Look at CA last year they have some of the most draconian firearms laws in the country, yet had 1790 murders 1220 of which invloved a firearm. Yup those firearms laws are really working huh.The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de TocquevilleOriginally posted by Fusion
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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Well for one thing stop telling people that the proper and only correct response to any emergency is to call 911. While this is a perfectly acceptable portion of any response plan, from intruders to getting wadded up in PTO shaft, to getting bit by a snake, o a heart attack, it should not be the sole portion of the plan and the ONLY plan. As I have pointed out already the police have NO DUTY TO PROTECT or Save you from danger, yet as a society this is what we are not taught or widely informed about. We call 911 and the cops will come save us is what we have been conditioned to believe. By and large that is what will happen eventually, if your still alive by the time they arrive and swat gets there and they run the little robot in and so on.
Education: Everyone should at least be exposed to firearms in a controlled and educational manner. Hell when I had my hunters safety when I was about 12 in the 6th grade it was held in my 6th grade elementary class room with a small arsenal of various weapons being passed around the room all under strict supervision of several teachers and volunteers (after school). Even though I had plenty of experience with firearms at home before this my parents and grand parents and the state (so I could legally hunt alone) thought it was important to have the more "formal" instruction as early as possible.
You show people that have little no experience with firearms other than what they see on tv and the movies what its really all about in the REAL WORLD and in many cases you may have someone that will not own one or become a avid shooter, but you have someone that understands that a firearm is a tool and inanimate object and not have irrational fear of them. Then you have the opposite case. short story. Good friend of mine got married, not a gun guy. Thinks now that he has a family it might be a good idea to maybe get something to protect it if need be. New Wife SCARED TO DEATH OF the idea of GUNS PERIOD. I was called and I spent 3 hours talking with them both. She was stunned that I sat there in living room with a pistol on my hip and she didnt know asked if I had it with me every time I stop by(duhhh its on me or in the truck) and again she was floored. (my buddy was chuckling about her reaction he has always known and while not a gun guy he had no problems with it ) I calmly unloaded and cleared it, and handed it to her She was very very nervous with it and quickly set it back on the table. Fast forward a few weeks and after letting much of conversation (that has been rehashed in this thread) I get a call that they would like to "maybe shoot some guns" Well after about an hour of basic safety and how to operate them. We go out back of my house and do some shooting. the 1st few shots with each weapon were iffy and had to have some basic correction in handling. You watch newbies like a Owl. We witness the birth or 2 new life long shooters right there. She has now take some advanced pistol classes and is arguably better than I am with a pistol.
Sometimes all takes is a little exposure and education
People need to be taught and realize that they need to be responsible for them selves and that no one is going to take care of you BUT YOU. And while its great we have people out there willing to help you when you need it the most they may not be available or able to get to you in time to help you, and teaching the masses that there will always be someone there to take care of them when they are in need, only hurts THEM.Last edited by mrsleeve; 12-17-2012, 03:40 PM.The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de TocquevilleOriginally posted by Fusion
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
William Pitt-Comment
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You say that, yet the 'stupid fucking crazy criminal' with a knife in China wounded 22 children and killed 0, yet the 'stupid fucking crazy criminal' with a gun in the US killed 26 and wounded 0.
To say that guns have no impact and the cause lays 100% with the shooter is blatantly false, as was proven last Friday.Comment
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Speaking of, I'd love to find some time to go shooting with ya when you are around sleeve.Comment
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For a second there I almost thought you were advocating bettering the education system to perhaps give children in impoverished neighborhoods or with bad parents a tool to lay the groundwork for a better life, a life where crime and delinquency is not so likely. Silly me.
While I do agree that protecting ones home is important, I find it humorous that you genuinely think that the solution to the major issue of violence amongst youth and criminal behavior is to give them more tools which are already been used to carry out those crimes. Never mind that minority youth are killing each other in record numbers, never mind the US houses an obscene amount of the worlds criminals and loves to profit off of locking them up instead of rehabilitation.
Nope, hand em a gun...that'll fix it.Comment
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