Wow. Why is this thread still alive?!

[CabbE30]

When I went to High School, we'd get these huge packets of rules every year. Every year the student and their parents are asked to go through it and sign & submit the last page so that they understand what is outlined. Most people just rip out the last page, get it signed, and submit it without even reading the book. Within those rules, that are signed by both the parent & the student, are the liberties that you are no longer permitted when on the school campus. See: dress code, no 'weapons' on campus, etc.

If you don't like it, dont sign it. Petition them or go elsewhere.

[MikeDE]

^This....my wife seems to think that it was a good idea, she thinks that somehow the searching of those students would somehow keep them from getting hurt/blown up. And also, she wouldn't object if they did the same to our kids. I, on the other hand, would be up in their asses for such action.

As soon as I mention the word 'conditioning' or anything along those lines, she walks away and can't/won't even listen/entertain the idea that the gov't/police/etc has anything but our best interests in mind when they do something like this.

[einhander]

Slippery slope my friend. Also being that I'm a libertarian, I feel that the government's responsibility is to stay the fuck out of our lives as much as possible. I don't need them looking out for me, too many agenda's and too many corrupt politicians to trust anyone other then myself and those close to me.

We have two polar opposite views on our government, I guess we'll leave it at that.

Fair enough. I'm a huge supporter of limited government, but I do think it has its uses.

All good.

[ParsedOut]

Those are entirely different scenarios.

You're equivocating illegal immigration and/or drug possession with potential threat to life and property as a result of terrorism.

Governments have a monopoly of force for precisely this reason - to assess and deal with threats to society. If there is a potentially imminent threat with a reasonable suspicion of it happening, government's responsibility is to protect citizens. Not sure what you're spewing about great freedoms...

If the kids were hog tied, patted down in private, and then brought in for questioning, I'd be all on your side. But, they weren't (at least from what we've been told).

Slippery slope my friend. Also being that I'm a libertarian, I feel that the government's responsibility is to stay the fuck out of our lives as much as possible. I don't need them looking out for me, too many agenda's and too many corrupt politicians to trust anyone other then myself and those close to me.

We have two polar opposite views on our government, I guess we'll leave it at that.

[einhander]

This is stupid. I feel like people these days are just sitting around waiting for stuff to bitch about.

We're not bitching. We're discussing. It's not even personal (mostly).

[Turf1600]

This is stupid. I feel like people these days are just sitting around waiting for stuff to bitch about.

[einhander]

Secure the building and evacuate the school.

If a kid had a bomb, do you REALLY think searching each an every student would have solved ANYTHING?

Seriously. So lets be hypothetical here. Said kid has bomb, he's next up to be searched... Now or never, boom. It would have happened with or without individual searches.... Had there been an actual bomb in the first place, which there wasn't.

Also, most of the time when these things REALLY happen, no one calls in.

Ah, yes. Move kids around an area when there is a potential bomb somewhere. Get them all into one place rather than locked down in a classroom where damage could be minimized. Where is the logic in that? How are you going to secure a place unless they told you where the bomb is?

IRA used to call in bomb threats all the time. Weather Underground did the same. SLA did the same. I could go on...there is no hard and fast rule for terrorists and their bombing fetishes.

[einhander]

There's always reasonable suspicion someone is an illegal immigrant or has an illegal substance on them, you cool with always being searched because someone is breaking the law? Seriously, that's your justification? Hope you don't have any offspring, if so you can tell them now you did nothing but exaserbate the demise of the great freedoms this country was founded on.

Those are entirely different scenarios.

You're equivocating illegal immigration and/or drug possession with potential threat to life and property as a result of terrorism.

Governments have a monopoly of force for precisely this reason - to assess and deal with threats to society. If there is a potentially imminent threat with a reasonable suspicion of it happening, government's responsibility is to protect citizens. Not sure what you're spewing about great freedoms...

If the kids were hog tied, patted down in private, and then brought in for questioning, I'd be all on your side. But, they weren't (at least from what we've been told).

[ParsedOut]

There was reasonable suspicion some student had a bomb. Unless they deployed the psychic voodoo squad, they could have no idea who it was.

The liberty to not be blown up by others was maintained.

Not sure what you guys are against in this situation...what are the alternatives?

There's always reasonable suspicion someone is an illegal immigrant or has an illegal substance on them, you cool with always being searched because someone is breaking the law? Seriously, that's your justification? Hope you don't have any offspring, if so you can tell them now you did nothing but exaserbate the demise of the great freedoms this country was founded on.

[Exodus_2pt0]

Secure the building and evacuate the school.

If a kid had a bomb, do you REALLY think searching each an every student would have solved ANYTHING?

Seriously. So lets be hypothetical here. Said kid has bomb, he's next up to be searched... Now or never, boom. It would have happened with or without individual searches.... Had there been an actual bomb in the first place, which there wasn't.

Also, most of the time when these things REALLY happen, no one calls in.

[einhander]

There was no reasonable suspicion that every student had a bomb.

There was reasonable suspicion some student had a bomb. Unless they deployed the psychic voodoo squad, they could have no idea who it was.

The liberty to not be blown up by others was maintained.

Not sure what you guys are against in this situation...what are the alternatives?

[ParsedOut]

^

See my sig quotes

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. William Pitt-

Amen brotha

[ParsedOut]

Are you claiming that a search of your son after being arrested would require your permission? you're way off the mark.

vedubbin is right, minors do not have full rights.

You read between the lines. Reasonable suspicion of breaking a law trumps all. There was no reasonable suspicion that every student had a bomb. It's like stopping every person on a road that is within 100 miles of the Mexican border and interrogating and searching their personal property. Oh wait...I guess you're all cool with that too?

[mrsleeve]

^

See my sig quotes

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. William Pitt-

[mulletman]

An how would you feel of the cops had not searched the students, one of the students had been armed with a bomb, and that student killed your brother?
There is no way in hell for them to know if the threat is real, and if so who has the bomb. They must take the threat seriously, and must search everyone.

Straw-man argument. Safety and fear-mongering are issues independent from personal liberty.