Wow. Why is this thread still alive?!

[BraveUlysses]

Bullshit. If my kid even got patted down in that situation you better believe hell would rise. They have the rights their legal guardians allow them, if I say it's ok to search him, then it's ok. If I tell him to shut his pie hole, he should do it. If come into his room and search his stuff, I can do it. NO ONE ELSE can do that without my permission.

Back to the original story, this is just another example of baby steps and conditioning for a police state. We slowly chip away at our constitutional rights in "seems reasonable" or "for the greater good" chunks and we end up like the Nazi's. Most people roll their eyes when you throw a parallel out there like that, but it's absolute fact that's what happened to those people, right beneath their noses. It can happen here, it'll just take longer. If we continue to condition our younger generations that it's "cool" to give up their rights our country as we know it is done for.

/end rant

Waiting for einhandler to jump in with a snide one liner...wait for it.

Are you claiming that a search of your son after being arrested would require your permission? you're way off the mark.

vedubbin is right, minors do not have full rights.

[mulletman]

who gives a flying fuck? if you don't have anything to hide you shouldn't be concerned about being searched.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-R8T1SuG4

Of all the dumb things said in this thread, this is by far the dumbest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

[mrsleeve]

I am staying out of this one...................

[BraveUlysses]

I am staying out of this one...................

better delete that post then ;)

[Dozyproductions]

vedubbin is right.

Armageddon is upon us, this just happened. I like the general attitude of this thread as summed up in a simple, "just cuz".

[mr2peak]

I thought the problem is that the kid thought it was COOL to be searched and have a bomb threat called in.

NOT COOL.

It's this reaction that is a problem. That kid should have the shit scared out of him after that.



Also, see reasonable cause.

[ST1G]

Just in... One student was arrested for Marijuana.

I hope his parents will stand up and call bullshit. Unjustified search caused an unrelated arrest.

Interesting. A lawyer can easily have that throw out. During a pat down the police can only reach into your pocket if the object they feel from the outside is thought to be a weapon. A small baggie of weed in a pocket doesn't constitute this, so it's not permissible.

Your right to search and seizure is limited in a school; as a student. Many court cases have set precedent on this. Also, if they patted down every student this would be allowed as well, since there was no discrimination on which students were patted down and which weren't. This is much like a DUI check point. As long as the poilce stopped every car, and are in a place and time where a DUI driver is likely to be found they are okay to do so.

Sources:

Terry v. Ohio
New Jersey v. T.L.O.
Michigan v. Sitz

[deutschman]

An how would you feel of the cops had not searched the students, one of the students had been armed with a bomb, and that student killed your brother?
There is no way in hell for them to know if the threat is real, and if so who has the bomb. They must take the threat seriously, and must search everyone.

[LSM3]

So what If an anonymous call comes in that a kid has a gun? Would you guys who are bitching be upset that they searched all the kids? I bet you would be upset if the cops came, left and the kid pulls a .38 out of his pocket and starts smokin kids left and right? Really, find something else to be upset about...This ain't it....If that were my kids school I would thank them. Police can't win either way...

[LSM3]

No, my wife is brothers with a 15 year old....

And yes, I have a problem with search without reasonable doubt.

Oh, and they were detained. Lockdown.

Searched without reasonable doubt? Lol...Did i miss the trial?? Maybe probable cause or reasonable suspicion?

Detained? Due to a lock down cause of a bomb threat? Lol There is an emergency exigency clause to the 4th amendment..Read Armijo v. Petersen.

So many fails here...

It's crazy to me that you are "LIVID" about a situation where the only information you have is from a 15 year old...It sounds like you have not looked into it at all to get facts. You have just enough info to be upset. Emotion + lack of facts....not a good look.

[Exodus_2pt0]

(Removed quote due to irrelevance)

You assume too much.

How does a random call justify a physical search of each and every student in the school? There is no probable cause or reasonable suspicion to treat every student as a suspect, sorry.

[Exodus_2pt0]

I thought the problem is that the kid thought it was COOL to be searched and have a bomb threat called in.

NOT COOL.

It's this reaction that is a problem. That kid should have the shit scared out of him after that.



Also, see reasonable cause.

This, is also a part of my frustration. The outlook our youth has on such situations.

[mulletman]

An how would you feel of the cops had not searched the students, one of the students had been armed with a bomb, and that student killed your brother?
There is no way in hell for them to know if the threat is real, and if so who has the bomb. They must take the threat seriously, and must search everyone.

Straw-man argument. Safety and fear-mongering are issues independent from personal liberty.

[mrsleeve]

^

See my sig quotes

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. William Pitt-

[ParsedOut]

Are you claiming that a search of your son after being arrested would require your permission? you're way off the mark.

vedubbin is right, minors do not have full rights.

You read between the lines. Reasonable suspicion of breaking a law trumps all. There was no reasonable suspicion that every student had a bomb. It's like stopping every person on a road that is within 100 miles of the Mexican border and interrogating and searching their personal property. Oh wait...I guess you're all cool with that too?