Another thing Sleeve and I probably agree on...

[BraveUlysses]

"Put all the women up front" - a coward

http://youtu.be/cllweBGE3Ak?t=1m32s

[CorvallisBMW]

his deal is that his family has been raising cattle since the late 1800's. In 1934 the gov. set up the Taylor Grazing act that granted permits for people to use public land to raise cattle.

He is the last Rancher of his kind in the area. All other ranchers have been driven out or bankrupted due the federal government.

His stance is that his family has had claim and the rights to graze that land well before the Taylor act. Grandfathered in... And he is making a stand

No, the reason the other ranchers in the area have left is because southern Nevada is a TERRIBLE fucking place to raise livestock. Have you ever driven in to Vegas from the north? This guys lives 70 miles north of Vegas, and it's a desolate desert wasteland of absolute fuck-all. It rains 1" a year, nothing bigger than a weed can grow without irrigation, and it's 120F all year long. It's woefully inefficient to raise cattle in that kind of environment, hence why most ranches don't survive.

Yes, if his neighbor was a left wing fanatic who contracted with him then used the enormous resources of the government to abrogate that contract.

You're saying the government of the US is a left-wing fanatic? methinks you need to revisit the political spectrum. If we're a left-wing fanatic, what would you consider anyone (namely: the entire industrialized world) to the left of us?

He signed a legal contract which is still in effect. He chose to break the terms of that contract, and the Feds took him to court over it. The courts ruled (multiple times) that the contract still applied, and that he was still bound by it's terms. Which makes total sense, as you don't get to just ignore the bits of a signed contract that you happen to dislike. If he didn't like the contract, he shouldn't have signed.

The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.

That is fascinating. Written in 1864, I wonder what prompted this prohibition on secession?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

I am aware of how much land the feds own in the west, I live there.

Next I guess you dont understand how much land is necessary to graze 1 cow in that kind of habitat. I have a friend that has a small ranch in NM, he has told me you need at least 50ac PER HEAD on a good damp year and upwards of 100ac PER HEAD in a drought year to sustain you animals. When the feds will not allow grazing on BLM or NFS land or refuse to allow you to renew your permitting (see my link) what are you supposed to do. Yup go bankrupt and lose your lively hood....................

See my above post. If you're grazing in an environment so incredibly resource-poor that it takes 100 acres to feed 1 single animal, the problem is where you chose to do your grazing. Not the government, not the weather, or anything else. It's like opening a snow-cone stand at the North Pole. Not gonna last long.

[Vedubin01]

No, the reason the other ranchers in the area have left is because southern Nevada is a TERRIBLE fucking place to raise livestock. Have you ever driven in to Vegas from the north? This guys lives 70 miles north of Vegas, and it's a desolate desert wasteland of absolute fuck-all. It rains 1" a year, nothing bigger than a weed can grow without irrigation, and it's 120F all year long. It's woefully inefficient to raise cattle in that kind of environment, hence why most ranches don't survive.

Actually I have, and its worked for this rancher for over 150 years. Have you ever been though TX and Ok where a lot of cattle are ranched?

Pretty much the same land.


Looks like BLM paid $966k to a wrangler to round up the animals. About he same amount of money they are claiming these guys owe. Also reports of them damaging land, tearing up water holes and fences, as well as killing prized bulls and cows.

[BraveUlysses]

Looks like BLM paid $966k to a wrangler to round up the animals. About he same amount of money they are claiming these guys owe. Also reports of them damaging land, tearing up water holes and fences, as well as killing prized bulls and cows.

Looks like this shithead should have just paid what he's obligated to pay. Good job rationalizing it though!

[frankenbeemer]

Looks like this shithead should have just paid what he's obligated to pay. Good job rationalizing it though!

I'm glad that the BLM is completely blameless in this regard, I was worried it might besmirch it's reputation as a paragon of bureaucratic efficiency.

[frankenbeemer]

If you're grazing in an environment so incredibly resource-poor that it takes 100 acres to feed 1 single animal, the problem is where you chose to do your grazing. Not the government, not the weather, or anything else. It's like opening a snow-cone stand at the North Pole. Not gonna last long.

Hogwash. That snow-cone stand has been doing OK for about 100 years.

[BraveUlysses]

I'm glad that the BLM is completely blameless in this regard, I was worried it might besmirch it's reputation as a paragon of bureaucratic efficiency.

Sweet strawman, thanks great post god bless.

[Hooffenstein HD]

It saddens me that people are as indoctrinated as BraveUlysses and Einhander. Incapable of any thought free of government tyranny.

[frankenbeemer]

Sweet strawman, thanks great post god bless.

I don't know, I didn't taste it. I do believe this thread is stuffed with straw, as many of the arguments here adamantly assert simple answers for a complicated situation. Doug Stanhope is right, 97% of Americans will voice their opinion despite their woeful ignorance.

[einhander]

It saddens me that people are as indoctrinated as BraveUlysses and Einhander. Incapable of any thought free of government tyranny.

What the fuck are you talking about? Did you not see my first post in the thread?

[BraveUlysses]

It saddens me that people are as indoctrinated as BraveUlysses and Einhander. Incapable of any thought free of government tyranny.

I've been 'indoctrinated' with critical thinking skills and willingness to use them, something you and most of the usual shitposters here seem to lack.

I don't know, I didn't taste it. I do believe this thread is stuffed with straw, as many of the arguments here adamantly assert simple answers for a complicated situation. Doug Stanhope is right, 97% of Americans will voice their opinion despite their woeful ignorance.

The irony of your quote is not lost on me :rofl:

Really we are truly enriched so much by this and other great posts you have made in this thread. Thanks again god bless

[Farbin Kaiber]

I dunno, maybe you could just educate yourself on the subject instead of making 3-4 clueless posts in this thread? Maybe I expect too much.

The land is owned and managed by the federal government. Something like 70% of nevada's land is federally owned.

Speaking of irony.

http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-federal-lands-in-the-us

84.5%, if you took the time to educate yourself.

[einhander]

He said "something like" which indicates an estimate.

He wasn't too far off.

Pedantic post is pedantic.

[Farbin Kaiber]

He said "something like" which indicates an estimate.

He wasn't too far off.

Pedantic post is pedantic.

You go pay for something and the salesman tells you it's something like XXX, and it ends up XXX + 14.5%, you'd be upset, right? It wouldn't have been such a sticking point except for him calling out others posting of information.

It's 16040.19 sq. miles, that's a fucking lot.

[einhander]

You go pay for something and the salesman tells you it's something like XXX, and it ends up XXX + 14.5%, you'd be upset, right? It wouldn't have been such a sticking point except for him calling out others posting of information.

It's 4.15439014 × 1010 m2, that's a fucking lot.

Yes, but this is R3v. People here advocate M42 heads on M10 blocks. Then you have clowns like Hoofenpenis posting nonsense every time he touches the key board.

By that standard, BraveU's comment was pretty exacting. And, it didn't change his point.