Seattle raises minimum wage to $15/hr

[ParsedOut]

You're assuming anyone born into wealth is lazy. You can't make that assumption because it isn't true. You also can't assume all rich kids sit around getting stoned all day.

External support or legislation? What do you think ensures that I can't just come along and take your cars or your lawnmower? Property ownership laws....you know...legislation....What do you think ensures that your boss can't make you work 24 hours a day and pay you nothing? Legislation! Yes! Legislation! Oh noes!

You're not making any sense with your weird class warfare slash individual autarky slash working class superiority.

I said they don't fit the discussion at hand. They aren't asking for anything. Sorry my obviously joking comment about smoking weed all day caught you the wrong way.

Can we stay on topic here? You're obviously just trying to drag this into some debate about the definition of success and how the independently wealthy fit into that. I've made my question to the bleeding heart liberals in here that say there are things outside of ones control that keep them from being able to earn a livable wage...I ask again, what are those factors?

[einhander]

I said they don't fit the discussion at hand. They aren't asking for anything. Sorry my obviously joking comment about smoking weed all day caught you the wrong way.

It's a good thing you're persistent because it isn't clear that you're funny.

Can we stay on topic here? You're obviously just trying to drag this into some debate about the definition of success and how the independently wealthy fit into that. I've made my question to the bleeding heart liberals in here that say there are things outside of ones control that keep them from being able to earn a livable wage...I ask again, what are those factors?

I'm not dragging it into anything. You seem to think that success is solely down to hard work without recognizing that there are a dozen other contributing factors and luck is one of them. The fact that you weren't born with HIV is pretty fucking lucky.

Anyway, your question is fair - what keeps people from earning a livable wage? I'll shoot a few off:

- Health problems, and, because it is you I'll say congenital health problems. Not something they could have picked up through a bad decision.

- Victims of abuse or people with mental trauma or PTSD.

- Systemic factors like corrupt politicians (look at Myanmar or Laos).

[ParsedOut]

It's a good thing you're persistent because it isn't clear that you're funny.

Lol

[einhander]

Anyway - I totally agree with you on the wage thing. These are jobs for people to take when they have no skills.

I personally think anyone in a minimum wage job past the age of 21 is an utter failure and shouldn't be allowed to vote.

But from a policy and an economic standpoint, I could argue otherwise.

[ParsedOut]

Anyway - I totally agree with you on the wage thing. These are jobs for people to take when they have no skills.

I personally think anyone in a minimum wage job past the age of 21 is an utter failure and shouldn't be allowed to vote.

But from a policy and an economic standpoint, I could argue otherwise.

You suck at sarcasm as much as I do at humor.

[einhander]

I was actually being 100%, swear on my mother serious.

[smooth]

http://www.latimes.com/local/cityhall/la-me-hotel-minimum-wage-20140925-story.html#page=1

[anabolice30]

Minimum wage scrubs are playing a dangerous game. We are not at all far from having the redbox model applied to grocery stores and fast food chains. The only question is how long will it be until it is cheaper to install all the machinery to serve food, rather than pay someone $7.25/hr or in Seattle's case $15.00/hr. The tremendous irony is that people claim that minimum wage should be a liveable wage, when I don't see anyone making minimum wage who is too poor to survive. Pretty soon the liveable wage will turn into no wage, securing more wealth for the nations financial elites.

Also, here is a great video explaining why flipping burgers is not only undeserving of $15/hr, but totally unsustainable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19elXV10tXM

[smooth]

Minimum wage scrubs are playing a dangerous game. We are not at all far from having the redbox model applied to grocery stores and fast food chains. The only question is how long will it be until it is cheaper to install all the machinery to serve food, rather than pay someone $7.25/hr or in Seattle's case $15.00/hr. The tremendous irony is that people claim that minimum wage should be a liveable wage, when I don't see anyone making minimum wage who is too poor to survive. Pretty soon the liveable wage will turn into no wage, securing more wealth for the nations financial elites.

People have been making this argument for at least the past 20 years since I was working in fast food in the 90's. I'm certain that argument was floated before I worked in fast food, too.

In the 90's I was making the minimum wage of $4.25 in Southern California. I was lucky since I was a shift manager--I got a full 40 hours per week scheduled. Even then I was only making a little less than $700 dollars per month before taxes. Rent was around $2,000 dollars per month.

In Oregon, at the same time, minimum wage was almost double and rent on a house was between $500-600 dollars. Surprisingly, the sky didn't fall. Lazy people who shouldn't get rich did not get rich. People just by and large made ends meet.

[BraveUlysses]

$2000 a month in the 90's is a FUCKLOAD of money, that has to be a typo

[smooth]

$2000 a month in the 90's is a FUCKLOAD of money, that has to be a typo

It wasn't a typo.

Even today San Diego housing is over 100% higher than the national average

http://www.payscale.com/cost-of-living-calculator/California-San-Diego

[mrsleeve]

so rents for the same type of place are now pushing 3650 a month

[smooth]

so rents for the same type of place are now pushing 3650 a month

You really need to pull your head out of your ass if you think that $3,000-4,000 dollars a month for housing is a lot of money in a place like San Diego.

It really doesn't take a whole lot of effort to find cost of living in places like Seattle, San Diego, and New York (and SF, which already has living wage legislation)...the main places where these low-wage workers are fighting hardest for wage increases.

Not surprisingly, the main voices shitting up these kinds of threads are from places like Montana and Arizona that have relatively low cost of living expenses. Your "solutions" often come in the form of packing up and moving from state to state to follow the $8 dollar an hour wages and somehow convert them into livable wages.

[BraveUlysses]

You really need to pull your head out of your ass if you think that $3,000-4,000 dollars a month for housing is a lot of money in a place like San Diego.

It really doesn't take a whole lot of effort to find cost of living in places like Seattle, San Diego, and New York (and SF, which already has living wage legislation)...the main places where these low-wage workers are fighting hardest for wage increases.

Not surprisingly, the main voices shitting up these kinds of threads are from places like Montana and Arizona that have relatively low cost of living expenses. Your "solutions" often come in the form of packing up and moving from state to state to follow the $8 dollar an hour wages and somehow convert them into livable wages.

rentometer gives me this result for a 2k/mo 2bd:


50 2-bedroom rentals
…in a 0.30 mile radius.
Median rent: $2013
Average rent: $2081
60% between: $1384 – $2779
80% between: $1017 – $3146



3-4k is still a lot, no matter where it is. It's also far above the typical rent for that area.

[ParsedOut]

You really need to pull your head out of your ass if you think that $3,000-4,000 dollars a month for housing is a lot of money in a place like San Diego.

It really doesn't take a whole lot of effort to find cost of living in places like Seattle, San Diego, and New York (and SF, which already has living wage legislation)...the main places where these low-wage workers are fighting hardest for wage increases.

Not surprisingly, the main voices shitting up these kinds of threads are from places like Montana and Arizona that have relatively low cost of living expenses. Your "solutions" often come in the form of packing up and moving from state to state to follow the $8 dollar an hour wages and somehow convert them into livable wages.

You still fail to answer my question smoothie, I guess it's easier to claim a logical fallacy instead of address the specifics. Surprisingly the only honest answer was from einhander... :eeek: