Gun dealers threatened with arson and death for... selling guns?

[Ether-D]

My bad. Let's take out the "in the face" part. It doesn't really matter to me which part of his body a child gets shot in (all parts are unacceptable).

[Ether-D]

I bet they could make a watch battery that has the chip in it...

[The Dark Side of Will]

Maybe they could make a less identifiable one (RF watch)?
This is a real question: What are the advantages of concealing the gun for law-abiding citizens who carry?

Assuming you're not the kind of jackass who seeks out more trouble because he has a gun...

Then concealed carry gives you an option you would not have otherwise.
Drawing the weapon, however, takes away all of your other options.

Open carry doesn't work the same way, as it tends to attract problems and puts you in situations you would not be in if concealed or not carrying.

I googled this question and came up with this:


So, 6?

Source?
Over what timeframe?
Very sad... And the result of stupid people leaving their guns out.

That's like leaving live electrical wires out for your children to find and play with.

*ALL* of those would have been preventable by properly securing the weapons per COMMON SENSE and laws that are currently on the books.

My bad. Let's take out the "in the face" part. It doesn't really matter to me which part of his body a child gets shot in (all parts are unacceptable).

Agree.

[The Dark Side of Will]

What if the chip could be implanted in your wrist, like the ones they put in dogs?

Scary...
(Because government would want to register and track your chip)

New feature: Police can disable it remotely via the cellular network. Really scary.

[frankenbeemer]

Wow, four? Can you count? Because there's roughly 30 dead children in that list...

Are you asserting that all 30 are 3 year olds who shot themselves in the face? I didn't pose the original (inflammatory) question. If you don't desire facetious responses inject some rigor into your language and cease your distortions.

[gtdragon980]

Is there a possibility that the technology could fail to perform in a time of need?

[Ether-D]

Assuming you're not the kind of jackass who seeks out more trouble because he has a gun...

Then concealed carry gives you an option you would not have otherwise.
Drawing the weapon, however, takes away all of your other options.

Open carry doesn't work the same way, as it tends to attract problems and puts you in situations you would not be in if concealed or not carrying..

I wonder why this is the case. I guess it's the same as why big dudes always have guys trying to fight them, to prove their badassness or whatever.
But the watch in this case, just looks like any ole watch to just about anyone. I looked at it 30 minutes ago and probably couldn't pick it out of a lineup.

Source?
Over what timeframe?

I literally copied and pasted the question into google.
It was the first result.

Timeframe was just "recently", so I'm not sure.

I'm not a "let's get rid of guns" guy, but I do think smart, well thought out, restrictions won't be the beginning of the end of the 2nd.

[Ether-D]

Is there a possibility that the technology could fail to perform in a time of need?

Totally, just like the technology of the most basic mechanical aspect of any gun could fail in a time of need.

[The Dark Side of Will]

Is there a possibility that the technology could fail to perform in a time of need?

There always is. See Space Shuttle Challenger

[The Dark Side of Will]

I wonder why this is the case. I guess it's the same as why big dudes always have guys trying to fight them, to prove their badassness or whatever.
But the watch in this case, just looks like any ole watch to just about anyone. I looked at it 30 minutes ago and probably couldn't pick it out of a lineup.

Well... if nothing else, ignorant people tend to call the police because "he has a gun".

I'm not a "let's get rid of guns" guy, but I do think smart, well thought out, restrictions won't be the beginning of the end of the 2nd.

I agree in principle. I'm as pro-gun as anyone, but I think waiting periods are acceptable because they reduce suicides, for example.

However, there is an element of politics that WILL NOT STOP until weapons are eliminated from law-abiding society. Accepting any restriction (and currently rights are VERY restricted compared to what they used to be) is playing into their hands.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm a student of history.

[BraveUlysses]

The New Jersey law mandates that once guns that are personalized to the user – commonly known as “smart guns” – go on the market anywhere in the country, New Jersey gun sellers have to stop selling traditional guns within three years and shift exclusively to smart guns.

Ok, NJ passed a shitty set of laws if this is what they're doing. However, it's insane that anyone would think that death threats are going to stop people from selling these things at some point, and thus begin the 3 year countdown.

Has california passed a similar law?

[mrsleeve]

^

Thats the point by selling "perfected" technology you selling others of a similar mind set down the river in NJ. The 2a rights have remained intacted as much as they have especially in recent years because we all stick together by and large and look out for what is going on in other states and try to help those in less friendly states as much as we can how we can. This kinda goes against that unspoken code of conduct. Like I said death threats are not acceptable and way over the top. But this clearly a case of the very vocal very minor portion of the demographic's actions trying to be smeared with a huge brush over on to the rest of us....

I bet they could make a watch battery that has the chip in it...

what about those of us that wear watches that dont have batteries??????

I am going to quote myself from the last time the "smart gun" topic came up.

With a weapon for self defense you want SIMPLICITY and RELIABILITY and those things are of equal importance. Even with the 100's of years of honing the design of the firearm, reliability is very very good but things still can and do fail. When your life is on the line you want that weapon to go BANG when you want it too NO MATTER WHAT, you want to just point and press and thats it. When your under stress and a massive adrenalin dump your critical thinking and problem solving are the 1st things to go when your running on pure survival instinct. You can very easily forget to disengage the modern simple manual primary safety.

You dont want to be going about adding all kinds of user only firing pin interlocks run with magic and wizardry for something your going to entrust your life to solely for life and death situations. Its a great way to get your self killed, and the point of having a weapon is nearly negated in one fell swoop. Not to mention this James Bond like tech is still 10 years away for practical REAL world applications.

[2761377]

Seems like a smart idea really. Can someone kindly explain why gun rights activists are against this type of technology?

the problem with "smart guns" come in two categories- political and utility. the most important problem is political, but well I understand how that argument would be received here. let's concentrate on utility. here're a couple paragraphs others have written that may be useful for you.


Imagine it's 2 o'clock in the morning, and you hear someone breaking
into your home. The extra time involved and awkwardness of having to
find your watch and firearm and put them on in the darkness could once again
have deadly consequences for you and your family.


this is from an article from Forbes, linked below.

Perhaps most telling about the deficiencies inherent in smartguns is the fact that law enforcement is not converting to them. Many policemen and policewomen have children at home and have strong incentives to want weapons that only authorized parties can fire. They also face dangerous criminals in the line of duty who might try to grab their weapons. But, as of today, no law enforcement agency has converted to smartgun technology; in fact, the New Jersey smartgun mandate specifically exempts law enforcement. The aversion of police to these so-called “safer products” is very telling; if the expert professionals don’t trust smartguns, why should civilians?


http://www.forbes.com/sites/josephst.../04/smartguns/

Again, let me re-iterate the main problem is political; the agenda behind it is not "Gun Safety", unless by safety you mean restricting access to firearms.

[mrsleeve]

^

I thought I said that ;)

[smooth]

if your guns are important to stop you from a tyrannical government, and government passes a law mandating something you don't believe in regarding your guns, shouldn't you be either using your guns against the NJ government or refusing to abide by the law and using your guns to stand up against anyone trying to enforce the law rather than threatening private parties for selling/buying guns of their choice?