religion?

[z31maniac]

Yes give or take a few years. The issue is that people didn't write as much as they do today. It took time for Jesus to become a 'thing'. People estimate that the oldest book of the New Testament (1 Thessalonians) was written about 50AD. So even the oldest book that supports the existence of Jesus was not written until about 20 years after his death.

The other books, such as the Gospels were probably oral tradition at first. Then the first generation Jesus followers were dying off, and someone said, we need to write this down!

The teachings of an itinerant jewish rabbi on the fringes of the Roman Empire would not cause most to blink an eye. Think about the founder of r3v. I know nothing about him, not even his name. It wasn't until there was enough followers that there would be enough interest in this person that.

Perhaps r3v will one day be the "gospel of e30". Until that day, we care more about the content as opposed to one who set up the content means.

Perhaps r3vvers will one day do stuff to piss off the government. Until that day, most people in the world could care less about r3v.

See, this shows the blinding power of faith.

I said provide a reference to a document of Jesus that was written WHILE HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY ALIVE.

And the best you can do is something that was written at least 60 years after his death.

I think I've made my point, have a good one gents.

[EyExR]

And?

Thousands of years ago, the micro and macroscopic universe were unfathomable to us, and only in the last few hundred years has the atomic world opened up to us. It was outside of our understanding, yet there is an explanation for it and we're slowly understanding it in its entirety. There's no reason to think this process won't extend onto other goal posts we set for ourselves in our understanding of things. Something being unreachable (for now), or existing in a way in which we find it difficult to study is indicative of nothing more than a complex universe with complex rules, not a creating force.

And what? That's it... That's all I'm saying. The very second you think you understand you immediately make yourself a fool. Not you meaning 'you' but you meaning 'us'. Science works but it simply leads us to different rabbit holes.
The complexity is greater than us.

[Rev Run D]

It's a neat story.

Find me some references from the same time period that mention Jeebus.

See, this shows the blinding power of faith.

I said provide a reference to a document of Jesus that was written WHILE HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY ALIVE.

And the best you can do is something that was written at least 60 years after his death.

I think I've made my point, have a good one gents.

You did not ask for a reference of a document that was written while he was alive.
Reread your initial statement, Josephus's document was from the same time period.

And I don't know what your point is. That I believe blindly in the existence of a person named Jesus? Most scholars (like 99%+, even atheist and agnostic) believe that there was a historical person named Jesus, who came from the city of Nazareth, was a teacher, and a movement began surrounding his teachings. It's a fact that Jesus existed.

Now whether or not Jesus was divine or not is a matter that scholars debate.

So no, you did not make your point.

[z31maniac]

Sorry that you didn't understand "time period" meant "while he was alive."

Even so you misquoted your own source.

Have a nice day.

[z31maniac]

Reread your initial statement, Josephus's document was from the same time period.

Same time period as what?

[cale]

And what? That's it... That's all I'm saying. The very second you think you understand you immediately make yourself a fool. Not you meaning 'you' but you meaning 'us'. Science works but it simply leads us to different rabbit holes.
The complexity is greater than us.

With phrases like "greater than us" it's hard to not assume you're talking about god.

[nando]

And what? That's it... That's all I'm saying. The very second you think you understand you immediately make yourself a fool. Not you meaning 'you' but you meaning 'us'. Science works but it simply leads us to different rabbit holes.
The complexity is greater than us.

Based on what? Because we haven't discovered some things yet?

Our technology revolution is what, 60 years old? It would be like living at the end of the bronze age and declaring everything we can know about steel is already known, therefore anything we can't explain must be from a god. It's a pretty weak argument.

Most of the scientists who have ever existed in history are alive today. Something like 90%.

[EyExR]

Based on what? Because we haven't discovered some things yet?

Our technology revolution is what, 60 years old? It would be like living at the end of the bronze age and declaring everything we can know about steel is already known, therefore anything we can't explain must be from a god. It's a pretty weak argument.

Most of the scientists who have ever existed in history are alive today. Something like 90%.

Not sure what you are asking really. I guess the best way I can put it is that beyond the greatest truth there is a greater truth to which has greater truths - which was never the truth at all. It's a paradox. Yet there are people that claim they think they know the truth or perhaps some deity or prophet has the ultimate answers. I believe that is impossible. No matter how intelligent the human race becomes, I believe the secrets to life are outside the reach of the human experience. Not to say we won't discover more. I understand that we are at the dawn of something. And probably always will be.. But this discussion is about religion.. The rabbit holes are infinite!

[EyExR]

With phrases like "greater than us" it's hard to not assume you're talking about god.

Call it what you like. I'm not sold on much...

Anyway. I'm going to soak in my hot tub and watch this meteor shower. :D

[Czur1991]

When it comes to religion and the internet. . .there can possibly no end to these types of convos. . .however. . .

9 What profit has the worker from that in which he labors? 10 I have seen the God-given task with which the sons of men are to be occupied. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.

Eclesiastes 3:9-11

We can go in circles but the truth is that Jesus did in fact die for you, he cares about you. And he only wants good for you. . .

He Loves you. . .

[z31maniac]

He loves me and he needs money.

[cale]

When it comes to religion and the internet. . .there can possibly no end to these types of convos. . .however. . .

There was an end that lasted for 8 months until you decided to spark it up again with nothing constructive.

[Czur1991]

There was an end that lasted for 8 months until you decided to spark it up again with nothing constructive.

Well regardless, someone would have prob said something. Also, I didn't mean the literal end to thread. In case you didn't understand. . .

[anabolice30]

All relgions are equally stupid, because they all preach at their same core essentially the same message, and that message is distorted in every culture to oppress and financially and politically exploit people.

I'm an extremely conservative guy, but I honestly cannot stand religion, or people who go around trying to to convert others to their lame cult.

[Dozyproductions]

Buddhism?