Baltimore riots

[Nesset]

I think it's best we just watch Darwin's Chainsaw of Natural Selection kick in.

:popcorn::giggle:

[euro2fast4u]

Think ill rent a room with a balcony at that hotel. get a case of beer :D and watch the game.

any one ever watch mothman?

[Sirotto]

Just sayin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

[euro2fast4u]

lulz

[g.ruff561]

Damn I hate this but I gotta do it...................

Here is some interesting knowledge about some of these unarmed shootings.

1. The State of Florida never investigated the fact that George Zimmerman had a fight with his wife the same night he shot Trayvon Martin. His wife left the house to go stay with her mother because George was drunk getting belligerant. GZ has been drinking all the evening when he spotted TM out walking from the store. He was already primed for a violent conflict. Please note I am all for bearing arms. I am an Army veteran. However if you shoot someone and use self defense or stand your ground as a defense, it should be mandatory that you be drug and alcohol tested. If its illegal to drink/drugs and drive, it should be illegal to shoot someone, dead or alive under the influence. Impairment is imparment. Wait for it.........................

2. I see there has been no mention here of the cop who shot at the guy 8 times and hit him 5 times in the back. Where did those other 3 bullets go. Your house, my house. Could they have killed a 2 year old a block away??? AND threw down a taser next to the dead man to portray self defense. Wait for it....................

3. How about the 73 year old auxillery cop who was allowed to be part of a undercover gun buy. I believe he may have shot the guy running by mistake. Thats why he should not have been allowed in the area. Period. My question is, would you allow a 73 year old doctor to do heart surgery on you, brain surgery, eye surgery??? Not using robotics but with his hands. No. Know why, because he is at that stage when his judgement is becoming impaired. He shot the guy by mistake, I firmly believe that, because he didnt even realize he pulled the wrong pistol grip. Check this out, if you pulled up to a valet and a 73 year came over to drive your E30 away. Would you give him your keys?

3. Now to Baltimore. The cops stopped the guy because he looked like he was doing something suspicious. Does the Constitution provide for "looking suspicious"? Running from the cops is not a crime. Know why, because you have not been convicted of it until you go before a judge. Word on the street is one cop was kneeling on his head while 2 others tried to snatch him up by his handcuffed arms. Word on the street is they thought he was faking not being able to walk so they put him in the wagon with no seat belt and drove stop start stop start stop start tosssing his body around like a rag doll. Handcuffed and being slammed around. i'm sure somebody is going to rationalize this one. Wait for it.................Somebody will give an educated "what if" any minute now.

4. The gentleman choked to death in New York. He was a known cigerette seller to the local cops. You wanna make an arrest today, get your quota, cuff this guy. He sold single cigerettes. No fighting, no weapons, no drugs. They could have wrote him a citation and that would have been that. No, they had to"control the situation". What situation. The guy was not selling cigerettes that day. Not one.

Here is the painful truth. NO ONE SHOULD BE KILLING COPS. NO ONE SHOULD BE RESISTING ARREST. NO ONE SHOULD BE ROITING AND LOOTING. It's not about all cops. It is about some cops. 5% of the population gives 95% a bad name. That goes for cops, politicians, black neighborhoods, latin neighborhoods, religions whatever. You pay higher insurance rates becuase the guy in your zip code has a bad driving record. Not you him. The same equation fits the 5% of the population who control our countries wealth. It is unbelieveable that only one good cop has come forward and said this is WRONG. Thousands and thousands of law enforcement officials. Know why, cause good cops are afraid of bad cops, judges are afraid of bad cops, prosecutors are afraid of bad cops. I have 4 relatives who are cops. One of my close friends and workout buddy has been a cop for over a decade. My dad was an MP in Korea, he had always told me the story of how he had to kill the Korean soldier who was 10 feet away from him. They were on patrol and he and this guy bumped into each other in the brush. For a moment neither of them moved they just stared at each other. Had to shoot him, had to. 8 of my dads high school friends were the first black graduates of the local police academy. I have been to their weddings, football parties, barbeques, whatever. Good honest, HARD WORKING cops. But everybody knows who the trouble maker in any group.
No one wants to say who is the bad cop, bad neighbor, bad preacher, bad teacher, bad relative etc. No one wants to say I know. I saw.

Crime is crime. Blacks kill blacks. Jews have killed Jews. Italians have killed Italians. Christians kill christians, Muslims kill muslims. And all of them have roited against their own. Riots are the voice of the oppresed. Just like in any abusive relationship, you hurt whats close to you. People come home from work pissed at the boss and take it out on their spouse, their kids and in this case the neighborhood. Lets be clear. I AM NOT AGAINST COPS, I AM NOT AGAINST POLICE. I AM 100% FOR WHAT THE CONSTITUTION DOES GAURANTEE. JUSTICE. Wait for it................Wait for it...................................

[Sirotto]

Well said Ruff. I believe that the frustration on our/my end is that these communities make is race issue. There are obvious issues with the 5% crooked police. I feel that they should be concentrating on that point and that point only.

In every case mentioned there where two wrong doers. Cops and said victim. Cop for being a bad cop, said victim for committing illegal activities.

When the two poisons meet there is going to be hell every time.

[smooth]

it isn't just a few cops giving all cops a bad name. it's an entire corrosive culture eating away at our general police forces across communities. if it was just a select few then the "good" ones would be handling this, but instead we are only learning about these incidents from other citizens capturing it on video.

I know it's comforting to think that bad behavior is isolated to a few bad individuals, but unfortunately this cancer in our departments is not a few evil cells, but rather the entire damn limb needs to be amputated. all the training that someone gets evaporates as soon as they hit the department and veterans tell them what you learned in the academy doesn't mean shit, this is how things work on the streets if you want to live and go home to see your families each night. the cadets entire worldview is shaped during those formative years and that toxic culture is passed from generation to generation of incoming officers.

[BraveUlysses]

6 officers have been charged

Ms. Mosby also said the officers had repeatedly failed to seek medical attention for Mr. Gray after he was injured. By the time he was removed from the van, she said, “Mr. Gray was no longer breathing at all.”

“We have probable cause to file criminal charges,” Ms. Mosby said.

The death, Ms. Mosby said, is believed to be the result of an injury Mr. Gray sustained while riding in the van without a seatbelt.

Ms. Mosby also said that the knife the police say Mr. Gray was carrying had not been a legitimate basis for his arrest. “The knife was not a switchblade, and it is lawful,” she said. She said the officers had “failed to establish probable cause for an arrest.”

As she announced the charges at the War Memorial here, there was cheering from people in the crowd. Dozens of police officers dressed in riot gear stood nearby after days of unrest in the city.

Ms. Mosby said six officers were being charged, one with second-degree murder. She said warrants had been issued for the their arrests; she said she did not know if anyone was in custody.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/02/us/freddie-gray-autopsy-report-given-to-baltimore-prosecutors.html

[cale]

Damn I hate this but I gotta do it...................

Here is some interesting knowledge about some of these unarmed shootings.

If its illegal to drink/drugs and drive, it should be illegal to shoot someone, dead or alive under the influence.

http://archive.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.151.html

(5) This section does not apply to persons exercising lawful self-defense or defense of one’s property.

It's illegal to discharge a firearm while intoxicated in Florida, self defense however is still allowed. Drinking and driving and protecting yourself are not the same thing, do not put them on the same plane. Of course intoxication will inhibit an individuals ability to comprehend and react appropriately in a situation where self defense is necessary, it doesn't mean they should forfeit their safety though.

Where did those other 3 bullets go. Your house, my house. Could they have killed a 2 year old a block away???

They're issued pistols and fire in stressful situations, of course they're not going to hit their mark every time. They're held accountable yes, expecting perfection is silly.

Know why, because you have not been convicted of it until you go before a judge.

You don't need to be convicted of a crime for an arrest to be made legally, are you really that dumb to imply this? If cops are looking for someone in an area where a crime took place, and when you see them you take off you're immediately giving them a reasonable suspicion to pursue and detain you, you're behaving irrationally for someone innocent of a crime.

Our opinions after your list are pretty much parallel, you just make some foolish points.

[BobombETA]

If cops are looking for someone in an area where a crime took place, and when you see them you take off you're immediately giving them a reasonable suspicion to pursue and detain you, you're behaving irrationally for someone innocent of a crime.

Hah, you just reminded me of a funny story about my brother. He was at a bar just hanging with friends, throwing them back. A couple of cops came in just doing a routine check of the place. My brother saw them enter and just took off running out the back door. Hopped the fence behind the bar's parking lot, landed hard on his side and bruised his ribs, lost his shoe while running down the street. lol.... idiot. Anyways I guess it's good they didn't "catch" him, not that he had anything to hide. He was just freaking out for whatever reason hahahah. I had to help him look for his shoe the next day. It hurt him to breath for a few weeks.

Yeah i know. Cool story bro.

Continue.

[z31maniac]

6 officers have been charged



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/02/us...osecutors.html

I suspect purposefully overcharging on the murder count as a means to allow the jury to let him go.

Too cynical?

[euro2fast4u]

I suspect purposefully overcharging on the murder count as a means to allow the jury to let him go.

Too cynical?

appeal to the people to get there vote for the next mayor election?

[jalopi]

Mosby and other leaders called for peaceful protests in the wake of the charges, saying unrest would only cause further harm.


"To the people of Baltimore and demonstrators across America, I heard your call for 'No Justice, No peace,' " Mosby said. "Your peace is sincerely needed as I work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man."


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And she called on protesters to remain peaceful in the wake of the announcement.


"This is a moment. This is your moment," she said, addressing the city's youth. "Let's ensure that we have peaceful and productive rallies that will develop structural and systemic changes for generations to come.

those are direct quotes from CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-baltimore-death/

I suspect purposefully overcharging on the murder count as a means to allow the jury to let him go.

Too cynical?

definitely not cynical, more like realistic, probably exactly what's going on

sounds like city management is trying to appease the mob with charges they don't plan on actually pursuing. if they actually get indicted though... i think we might have more problems than just a few riots throughout the country

[BraveUlysses]

It seems that you don't understand the difference between indictment and charged

[jalopi]

don't be an asshole, you know exactly what i meant