Mass Shooting - Umpqua Community College

[R3Z3N]

Good lord, it's amazing that some of you still think making it harder to buy a gun legally will keep them out of the hands of people who care so little about the law that they are willing to kill innocent people.

So true.

Also, the 2nd amendment is there to protect us from what can become our biggest threat: our own government.

[frankenbeemer]

Oh for fucks sake, would all you damn idiots get off it already?

You really think the gov't is afraid of us now? Hell no. They act (or don't act depending on how you look at it) with impunity and have for decades.

I love this deluded fantasy that guys that own some rifles and handguns, that go to the range a few times per year think, that somehow, they would be able to mass any kind of rebellion against the Armed forces of this country.

*insert dipshit comment about how armed forces members wouldn't turn their guns on American citizens*

England didn't have nuclear warheads and anti-tank aircraft...

It is simply silly to respond that small arms are irrelevant against nuclear armed states; Witness contemporary Northern Ireland and the territories occupied by Israel, where the sophisticated weaponry of Great Britain and Israel have proved almost totally beside the point. The fact that these may not be pleasant examples does not affect the principal point, that a state facing a totally disarmed population is in a far better position, for good or ill, to suppress popular demonstrations and uprisings than one that must calculate the possibilities of its soldiers and officials being injured or killed.

Sanford Levinson
Yale Law Journal, Volume 99, pp. 637-659

So true.

Also, the 2nd amendment is there to protect us from what can become our biggest threat: our own government.

[Thizzelle]

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[Farbin Kaiber]

For fucks sake people, the CDC wasn't even able to study and release effects of guns and gun violence on people...

Could you explain why a governmental bureau created to research and study disease should study firearms?

This is like saying;

For fucks sake people, the NPS (National Parks Service) wasn't even able to study and release effects of interest rates and interest rate fluctuation on people...

what dose this form look like how easy is it to put fake details in etc etc. Do these forms get missed is there potential for the forms to get missed.

So, you want the Government involved in taking more control of the system, but then when you are shown that they do, you doubt the ability for them to perform their legal role?

[nando]

because people are dying in mass numbers?

Why shouldn't they study it? are you afraid they might find something that could help the issue?

I like how any discussion on solving the gun violence issue immediately devolves into "they's gunna take away all our gunz!". When no such thing has ever been said..

[marshallnoise]

because people are dying in mass numbers?

Why shouldn't they study it? are you afraid they might find something that could help the issue?

I like how any discussion on solving the gun violence issue immediately devolves into "they's gunna take away all our gunz!". When no such thing has ever been said..

The only health issue associated with gun violence that is relevant is mental health.

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[mrsleeve]

^

And we must be careful with that, as that is near frictionless incline in which we must have the utmost caution in navigating as we descend upon it

[marshallnoise]

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And we must be careful with that, as that is near frictionless incline in which we must have the utmost caution in navigating as we descend upon it

I agree. Dissenters are often labeled mentally unfit.

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[Wschnitz]

Could you explain why a governmental bureau created to research and study disease should study firearms?

This is like saying;

For fucks sake people, the NPS (National Parks Service) wasn't even able to study and release effects of interest rates and interest rate fluctuation on people...

You can't be that thick, I'm obviously referencing the mental health relations, and how America has more suicides Via firearm then any other country.

No I definitely wanted them to study the trigger action of the Russian SKS to unlock its wizardry.

[marshallnoise]

You can't be that thick, I'm obviously referencing the mental health relations, and how America has more suicides Via firearm then any other country.

No I definitely wanted them to study the trigger action of the Russian SKS to unlock its wizardry.

Studying suicide is more important than the method people use. When people add firearms to the criterion by which you study suicide, you are politically posturing. There is no other explanation.

[Wschnitz]

Studying suicide is more important than the method people use. When people add firearms to the criterion by which you study suicide, you are politically posturing. There is no other explanation.

Please, available methods of suicide totally play an effect on whether people go through with it or not.

By wanting to avoid any studies on mental health in relation to guns, gun violence, etc, you only make guns look worse.

[marshallnoise]

Please, available methods of suicide totally play an effect on whether people go through with it or not.

By wanting to avoid any studies on mental health in relation to guns, gun violence, etc, you only make guns look worse.

Don't you think that the mental health issue that matters is the thoughts of suicide as opposed to what method is most convenient?

I am not avoiding mental health issues at all. I am just smart enough to know what an inanimate object is. We should be studying cars and mental health issues too since they are used in homicides as well. Or, we should study the relationship between spoons and obesity.

This whole world loves shifting blame from the person (animate) to anything else (usually inanimate). Its a fucking sick joke and worse, cruel to the rest of humanity. Focusing on access to guns in any study relating to mental health issues is just blame shifting.

[CorvallisBMW]

I like how conservatives always say mass shootings are a result of mental health issues, and then block the National Institutes of Health from doing any research in to it...

[marshallnoise]

I like how conservatives always say mass shootings are a result of mental health issues, and then block the National Institutes of Health from doing any research in to it...

Do guns show up and pull their own triggers? When they do, then study why guns are pulling their own triggers.

[nando]

I'm pretty sure the terrorists who killed 14 people last month were not mentally unstable. the whole "mental health" thing is a farce.

and if it's not a farce, then do something about it - but they won't. There's too much money to be made by spreading fear.