Standing Rock vs Dakota pipeline

[marshallnoise]

All right sleeve, I've gotta give it up. Montana is fucking beautiful.

I'm sitting at Metals in Butte trying your local IPAs with the Irish nachos for lunch.

If I found one of those tech jobs that let me work 100% remote, I'd live here.

I have family from a small city in Montana called Wyoming (joke). It too is darn near as beautiful as Montana. I spent many months of my youth up in Cody and all around north western Wyoming. Would move there in an instant too.

[decay]

All right sleeve, I've gotta give it up. Montana is fucking beautiful.

I'm sitting at Metals in Butte trying your local IPAs with the Irish nachos for lunch.

If I found one of those tech jobs that let me work 100% remote, I'd live here.

[decay]

ah ok no worries- yeah then 400hp in a few-ton SUV with 4WD feels about right. it's got juice, but it's also got weight.

you're right though, it's a good truck. not mad that they offered this at the same price. i will be a bit cramped if i have to sleep in it, but damn it feels capable.

[mrsleeve]

Sorry typo 390ish Hp and a couple ticks over 400ft/lbs and yeah they are heavy, at about 5800lbs in US trim, my J80 is about 5k......

[decay]

that said. here's a story of how i had fun in a petrol-powerered vehicle.

so when i went to iraq our comm platoon brought over equipment called JNN. big armored shell that contains a bunch of computer equipment and goes on the back of one of the two-seat humvees. there were two of those.

the JNN shells weigh several tons, so those two-seat humvees get the turbo diesel engine rather than just the regular diesel.

when we got there, we immediately pulled the JNN shells off of the trucks, sat them on the ground, and emplaced them, and used the turbo lightweight humvees as runabouts.

that shit was awesome.

i like trucks. i don't like seeing san francisco yuppies driving them for status, or more frequently, road superiority, when they don't need them.

[decay]

it was about $1700 total for the rental. which is about the same amount my friend network donated via paypal to support me on this. so basically, they got transport and i got everything else.

and i actually asked for american, but i agree that i landed on the right truck. fuel cost is in the budget.

and did you read what i said earlier, dude? i am not saying we should cease *all* use of petroleum. i don't want your job to go away. i want us to manage our consumption and distribution network more responsibly, and when what i have to do is this- then, a big-ass v8 4wd is justified for the 2 weeks i need it. you know i drove humvees in the army and enjoyed those too, right? yes- you and i need trucks. linda the secretary/hairdresser would be fine with a little 4-door EV to get her to work.

and if we can also have a car-guy conversation about this- toyota's cars are boring as fuck (except the FR-S/86 which was really a subaru), but their trucks are quality products. on my last vacation i rented a 4-runner and went to borrego springs and the salton sea in southern california, and that thing was damned good for playing rally driver on desert trails. it handled on loose surface in a very "do what i mean", intuitive, kind of way. fiancee-at-the-time was scared but i had confidence driving that thing.

also goddamn do the new ones really have 500hp? i mean it moves, but it basically just does what i expect it to do. doesn't feel like that much power. this thing must be fucking heavy.

[mrsleeve]

Really you found a 200 series to rent...... Whats that costing you perday lol... And a one of the most fuel ineffincant rigs built, that said prolly THE best rig you could pick to take you into BFE in 22 below weather and 2 feet of snow, that is on the market in this country. Just you better bring some fuel along or have some resupply at camp because keeping it warm and feeding that 496HP 3UR-FE is going to be interesting given the stance you have taken with this all this. Fair warning, your going to really really want a 200 series after this.

[decay]

i had to get a toyota land cruiser for a rental- best "4wd vehicle i can sleep in" i could find. so i *do* recognize the use case for vehicles like this. i'm not going out there in a goddamned prius.

but- let's take this back to e30-land for a few minutes-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX-_azD2vNo

that green e30 has destroyed *everything* i've seen it go up against, unqualified. M6, GT-R, 911. bye. and it was built 5 years ago with battery technology that has since become obsolete because we found solutions with even more energy density (LiFePo4, unless he upgraded to that since the last time i looked).

[decay]

Just going to leave this right here

http://www.abc2news.com/news/region/...town-baltimore

i am sorry to see that happen. seriously.

if you are posting this to point out that road/rail transport is not as safe- i asked questions there, and i got that part when you and nando explained it.

but that doesn't mean pipeline is good enough. and i think it would be a good thing if we reduced our consumption to the point where responsibly maintaining the existing infrastructure was enough.

i do honestly want to see our country start leading the way in EV usage, and reducing petroleum consumption to commercial and industrial needs- not consumer needs.

i know you hate the EVs, sleeve, but you gotta take a ride in a tesla, man. my boss a few startups ago had the P70, not even the best one, and it was fucking *quick*. and i would say about on par with a 7-series for build quality, comfort, and luxury.

i see electric fedex trucks around home all the time, because for local delivery? they are a better, more energy-efficient, more cost-effective, and more low-maintenance solution to the task at hand. long-haul they don't work for, i get that. we're both engineers, we both understand that there is no one magic solution to every use case or requirement out there.

we're never going to make petroleum go away. i know that. but some of us are tired of seeing the results of our dependence on it, like war and oil spills.

[mrsleeve]

Just going to leave this right here

http://www.abc2news.com/news/region/baltimore-city/2-dead-in-tanker-crash-on-i-95-near-dowtown-baltimore

[decay]

today is load-out.

i have cold-weather clothes, redundant power and internet (att/verizon), some humanitarian supplies that didn't make it out for the first round, oh, and my riot gear is kinda awesome.

i needed a vehicle big enough for my 6'2" self to sleep in and was looking for something like a GMC Tahoe. what they had was "Lincoln Navigator or similar".

get in loser, we're stopping a pipeline.

[mrsleeve]

You xray hand too......

[Lodsin]

100% NDE and 100% Inspection its been that way for a long time on transmission work.

I find that very impressive, and I'm glad I don't have to do it!

[mrsleeve]

100% NDE and 100% Inspection its been that way for a long time on transmission work.

[Lodsin]

@Sleeve
100% NDE, as in 100% inspection? If so that's pretty impressive!

Haven't worked in that kind of field for a few years and wasn't in it for too long, but we were doing 10% NDT.