Standing Rock vs Dakota pipeline

[marshallnoise]

you're a zealot too, you're just worshiping at the altar of capitalism. i picked a different one. sorry

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. - Barry Goldwater

[decay]

you're a zealot too, you're just worshiping at the altar of capitalism. i picked a different one. sorry

[marshallnoise]

okay

looks like nando and i are on one side of this thing, and sleeve/gwb are on the other because they are employed or have investments

does "says the dude who is making a lot of noise about a fight he doesn't actually have a personal stake in" work better?

because that's why i told you to shut up a few days ago

if you want to have a voice here? see if you can get hired by whatever company is providing security for ETC and i'll see you on the other side of the wire

otherwise you are an annoying roaring mouse

In what way don't I have a personal stake in this? Free flow of oil increases the capacity in the economy. You stand directly in the way of that in the name of "progress." Too bad that word was high-jacked by regressives like yourself.

You are a religious zealot, and that's all environmentalism is; an exhibition of religious extremism where the god you pray to is mother-earth.

Only people who are bullies tell people to shut up when confronted with something they don't like or a dissenting opinion. Oh, and telling me I have to actually go there to even speak on the topic. Do you have any idea how shitty you look when you say that stuff? Its not a good color on anyone, including you.

All from me saying "good comeback." Loose cannon man. That's what you are too.

[decay]

Good comeback.

okay

looks like nando and i are on one side of this thing, and sleeve/gwb are on the other because they are employed or have investments

does "says the dude who is making a lot of noise about a fight he doesn't actually have a personal stake in" work better?

because that's why i told you to shut up a few days ago

if you want to have a voice here? see if you can get hired by whatever company is providing security for ETC and i'll see you on the other side of the wire

otherwise you are an annoying roaring mouse, and you should stfu and let the adults discuss the matter

[z31maniac]

They don't though. They under report spills and don't clean up properly.

I understand that pipes are one of the safest ways to transport oil. People are protesting where these pipes are being run. Also, I'd be in favor of replacing existing pipeline infrastructure, so that it stays current and reduces the risk of spills due to old pipes. Rather than just constantly making new pipelines.

Exisiting pipelines don't connect to new fields, etc.

I want to protect the environment as well, but I think it is far overblown.

50 miles to the south and west of where I currently live is the "Pipeline Crossroad of the World" approaching 25% of all oil consumed in America flows through Cushing on a daily basis.

I'm sure Sleeve will argue, but all the waste water injection has turned OK into one of the most seismically active areas IN THE WORLD. OK has had more 5.0+ earthquakes this year than the rest of the country COMBINED.

Some with epicenters just miles from the tank farm, which has a capacity approaching 100 million barrels.

And no large scale disasters here.

[marshallnoise]

They don't though. They under report spills and don't clean up properly.

I understand that pipes are one of the safest ways to transport oil. People are protesting where these pipes are being run. Also, I'd be in favor of replacing existing pipeline infrastructure, so that it stays current and reduces the risk of spills due to old pipes. Rather than just constantly making new pipelines.

If that was even remotely common, it would be in the news every single day and the only thing anyone would cover. I get it that you feel that its that way, but I am 99.9% sure you are wrong.

[Kershaw]

Also the pipeline companies have the funds and resources to correctly clean, and pay for remediation should it be needed.

They don't though. They under report spills and don't clean up properly.

I understand that pipes are one of the safest ways to transport oil. People are protesting where these pipes are being run. Also, I'd be in favor of replacing existing pipeline infrastructure, so that it stays current and reduces the risk of spills due to old pipes. Rather than just constantly making new pipelines.

[marshallnoise]

What is the logic in opposing pipelines? Not this particular one, but pipelines in general. Not sarcastic, just want understanding.

The oil is going to come to market regardless of the mode of transportation it takes to get to the refinery, or distribution center. Pipelines offer the smallest carbon footprint, and less handiling, which means lower point source spill potential. Heck just this week by me we have had 2 tanker trucks overturn and spill. One due to a raccoon, I wish that were a joke. Also the pipeline companies have the funds and resources to correctly clean, and pay for remediation should it be needed. I know some of these small trucking companies I see locally would be superfund cases if they were to have a spill. They have zero chance of paying for a multimillion dollar cleanup.

Because they are bad. Duh!

[naplesE30]

What is the logic in opposing pipelines? Not this particular one, but pipelines in general. Not sarcastic, just want understanding.

The oil is going to come to market regardless of the mode of transportation it takes to get to the refinery, or distribution center. Pipelines offer the smallest carbon footprint, and less handiling, which means lower point source spill potential. Heck just this week by me we have had 2 tanker trucks overturn and spill. One due to a raccoon, I wish that were a joke. Also the pipeline companies have the funds and resources to correctly clean, and pay for remediation should it be needed. I know some of these small trucking companies I see locally would be superfund cases if they were to have a spill. They have zero chance of paying for a multimillion dollar cleanup.

[marshallnoise]

Says the dude who freaks out about democrats and their ideas daily.

Good comeback.

[Wschnitz]

You guys are so dramatic it's gross.

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Says the dude who freaks out about democrats and their ideas daily.

[BraveUlysses]

Hahahhaha, what were you saying about the safety of oil pipelines sleeve?

:rofl: dude, hahaha, I don't think I can take anything you say in P&R seriously again.

I would laugh more, if I weren't crying for the environment.

hey here's a handy map showing all the pipleine leaks since 2010:

http://www.foreffectivegov.org/blog/map-displays-five-years-oil-pipeline-spills

Since 2010, over 3,300 incidents of crude oil and liquefied natural gas leaks or ruptures have occurred on U.S. pipelines. These incidents have killed 80 people, injured 389 more, and cost $2.8 billion in damages. They also released toxic, polluting chemicals in local soil, waterways, and air.

and a different map showing leaks/failures since 1986:

http://www.citylab.com/weather/2016/...mapped/509066/

Over the last thirty years, just under 9,000 significant pipeline-related incidents have taken place nationwide, according to data from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration. (Not counted in this total are thousands of less “significant" pipeline-related malfunctions.)

[marshallnoise]

You guys are so dramatic it's gross.

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[Wschnitz]

Oil spills into nearby water sources and land, "not a natural disaster" I think sleeve has an extremely lenient definition of a natural disaster.

In my opinion no oil should be leaking, any leak is a disaster, this may not be a huge leak, but its another to add to the multiple leaks there seem to be a year.

The pipeline companies make the excuse that this new pipeline will have leak detection, but the leak detection they already use only registers large leaks anyway.

[Kershaw]

Hahahhaha, what were you saying about the safety of oil pipelines sleeve?

:rofl: dude, hahaha, I don't think I can take anything you say in P&R seriously again.

I would laugh more, if I weren't crying for the environment.