Standing Rock vs Dakota pipeline

[gwb72tii]

yeah can we not reduce things to simple binary, please? we're not talking about an on/off switch here.

is it okay if i want to *reduce* the amount we use to a sustainable level, while having the pipeline routed the safest way possible?

and gwb if you'd been sent to war over this shit maybe you'd be closer to understanding my position. there absolutely is a moral argument to be made here, it's just not the only one i have to make. to concede your point- okay, the soles of my boots were made out of petroleum.

i missed vietnam by 30 days. nixon repealed the draft in 1972. i was 1H and my draft number was 32 and you were inducted on your 19th birthday back then, for me that would have been january of 1973.

seriously, you and others that served in any capacity for our country for any reason have my undying gratitude, respect, and thanks.

there is no substitute for oil in our world economy.
and on moral issues it's wrong to disallow use of fossil fuels in world economies that need it the most.
there is more than one moral ground to stand on

and, we have over a 100 year supply of natural gas, and probably the same for oil. these are not dwindling resources in your lifetime or mine.

frankly fighting in Iraq over oil was not necessarily immoral. you may disagree, but there are two moral sides to the argument.

[mrsleeve]

I how about the elastic in you underware, any plastic zippers on jackets or pants, any nylon or polyester in you wardrobe for the day??

[decay]

you do know petroleum is in EVERYTHING from the laptop or I phone your typing this on, to your stolen backpack, to pill capsules, its used in nearly EVERYTHING.. Even if we find an way power locomotion with out the I.C.E. in the near term, we still need it to build those cars, and supply them.

yeah can we not reduce things to simple binary, please? we're not talking about an on/off switch here.

is it okay if i want to *reduce* the amount we use to a sustainable level, while having the pipeline routed the safest way possible?

and gwb if you'd been sent to war over this shit maybe you'd be closer to understanding my position. there absolutely is a moral argument to be made here, it's just not the only one i have to make. to concede your point- okay, the soles of my boots were made out of petroleum.

[gwb72tii]

we're going to *need* it if we don't fix this broken model, yes.

that doesn't mean we're going to *have* it.

wow and all along i thought your objection to the pipeline was on moral grounds. instead, perhaps not intending to, you come across as an ordinary green wacko.

so tell me what exactly you wear in the morning. is it petroleum based?

[mrsleeve]

you do know petroleum is in EVERYTHING from the laptop or I phone your typing this on, to your stolen backpack, to pill capsules, its used in nearly EVERYTHING.. Even if we find an way power locomotion with out the I.C.E. in the near term, we still need it to build those cars, and supply them.

[decay]

my buddy just left ground, and we got him set up in a hotel room in gillette, wy.

if he can make it back to cali in an orderly fashion, i might be headed out this weekend to relieve him.

[decay]

we're going to *need* it if we don't fix this broken model, yes.

that doesn't mean we're going to *have* it.

[mrsleeve]

Wow... we are going to need oil, gas, and products till long after we are dead....

[decay]

silly me i thought you wanted to impact ETP and not on the widows and retired shareholders who own it for income?

no apology necessary. but every investment is a bet. i haven't come out on top of every bet i've made either.

do i feel bad for impacting the investments of people who made an active decision to put their retirement savings into an industry that is demonstrably non-sustainable, because the asset they chose depends on the extraction of a non-renewable resource?

nope.

they were going to lose their money anyway. tell them to call their brokers and shift their money elsewhere.

[gwb72tii]

apparently you have an incomplete understanding of the market.

price goes down. shareholders are impacted. get it?

silly me i thought you wanted to impact ETP and not on the widows and retired shareholders who own it for income?

and my thought still stands that the time to have impacted the route of the pipeline was during the planning process

you protesting the decision smacks of the protests of trump being elected POTUS

and i have no dog in this hunt BTW. i just believe in the integrity of the law. work within the system to change it. ETP followed the regulations the government required of it, abided by the law, and you don't like the decision.

sorry

[decay]

it does nothing to affect ETP

apparently you have an incomplete understanding of the market.

price goes down. shareholders are impacted. get it?

[mrsleeve]

Lol I bought it at sub 25 a share, me selling a 100 or so shares at 35ish is just a little profit taking not going hurt them one bit lol

[gwb72tii]

you may think that making the stock price of the owning interest go down accomplishes nothing. i don't. that's absolutely one of my mission objectives.

it does nothing to affect ETP

[decay]

yes and it accomplishes nothing.
congrats

you may think that making the stock price of the owning interest go down accomplishes nothing. i don't. that's absolutely one of my mission objectives.

[gwb72tii]

yes, but you still made the price go down by filling a few buy orders. and i'm sure you're not the only one.

yes and it accomplishes nothing.
congrats