Standing Rock vs Dakota pipeline

[Massive Lee]

Reading MarshallNoise's comments about the Native Americans, I believe he's either really stupid or extremely racist. Most likely both. Definitely portrays well what a White Angry Supremacist Male must be. What's next? African Slaves were willing migrants? Get the fuck out dude and get an education.

[rhE-30]

You think they still adhere to that? Before white men showed up, they were slaughtering each other for territory and resources, albeit limited.

Yes I do. I work near two reservations and have met a few of them. Due to the nature of my job the meeting arises from them getting into trouble, but I meet the family too.


Do you actually believe that these pipeline projects have been pushed through for the benefit of citizens? Even though it has taken what is turning out to be one of the most corrupt politicians to date, discarding the oppositions argument, placing an oil executive in a leading government role and placing and executive order so they can be completed. That's them treading on you. That's them using our tax dollars to benefit big oil.

[marshallnoise]

Gonna have to call BS on that one.

Fair enough. I stand corrected. http://www.encyclopedia.com/history/...rade-northeast

[mbonder]

EDIT: Trading didn't even occur until white man showed up and showed them how to do it.

Gonna have to call BS on that one.

[marshallnoise]

with each subsequent post, you show more of your ignorance.

i'd encourage you to actually *visit* them and some of your preconceptions might be changed.



factually incorrect. they had trading and currency, just not paper bills and coins. your racism is showing.

Racism? LMAO

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun

1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
   "a program to combat racism"
   synonyms:racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism "Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"
   
   
   
   
   
   • the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
     noun: racism
     "theories of racism"
     
     
   
   
   
   
   

I never said white man was superior. What I said was their way of life went the way of the dodo bird. Entirely different.

[decay]

And that blows the hole through your idea that they aren't materialistic. Basic survival doesn't require running casinos. They are allowed to leave the reservation you know.

with each subsequent post, you show more of your ignorance.

i'd encourage you to actually *visit* them and some of your preconceptions might be changed.

EDIT: You realize that the advent of western culture showing up on these shores rendered their way of life moot. "Economic opportunities," like what? Hunting, gathering? Trading didn't even occur until white man showed up and showed them how to do it.

factually incorrect. they had trading and currency, just not paper bills and coins. your racism is showing.

[mrsleeve]

You think they still adhere to that? Before white men showed up, they were slaughtering each other for territory and resources, albeit limited.

Why would put up something nice. when you could piss off the elders and they can kick you out and put thier nephew in it.

[marshallnoise]

...because since we already got rid of most of their economic opportunities, we should get rid of their one good shot at tourism, too?

you do know that white people also build casinos, right? are you familiar with a little city called vegas?

And that blows the hole through your idea that they aren't materialistic. Basic survival doesn't require running casinos. They are allowed to leave the reservation you know.

EDIT: You realize that the advent of western culture showing up on these shores rendered their way of life moot. "Economic opportunities," like what? Hunting, gathering? Trading didn't even occur until white man showed up and showed them how to do it.

[decay]

I guess that explains the casinos.

...because since we already got rid of most of their economic opportunities, we should get rid of their one good shot at tourism, too?

you do know that white people also build casinos, right? are you familiar with a little city called vegas?

[marshallnoise]

uh, much more than any other major demographic in america... yes, they do.

I guess that explains the casinos.

[decay]

You think they still adhere to that?

uh, much more than any other major demographic in america... yes, they do.

[marshallnoise]

It's not exactly the MO of most Native Americans to own extravagant material possessions. You know, Mother Earth, and spirituality.

You think they still adhere to that? Before white men showed up, they were slaughtering each other for territory and resources, albeit limited.

[rhE-30]

It's not exactly the MO of most Native Americans to own extravagant material possessions. You know, Mother Earth, and spirituality.

[mrsleeve]

short answer, Generations of cradle to grave 100% entitlements/handouts...

As to who would profit, likely those closest to those at the top of the tribes power structure would have gotten the most benefit from the influx of cash.

Some res's, the inhabitants are allowed to own land, others you just occupy someplace as the tribe owns it communally, there for is no reason to put up nice dwellings since its not really yours its communal property.

[naplesE30]

Just out of curiosity; who would have profited from the pipeline had the SR tribe agreed to terms. By me, the Seminole Tribe has a ton of money..... casinos and Hard Rock Hotel/Casinos. However, if you go onto their reservation it is undoubtedly poor. How is the money dispersed? What type of economic model is used on most reservations? I am genuinely curious now. Open to be educated on what exactly keeps many natives in the poor state many are in. Maybe a good topic for a different thread.