Standing Rock vs Dakota pipeline

[gwb72tii]

when fox news says "vandalism", what they are actually talking about is "direct action".

it doesn't make zero sense if you understand that the action taken is preventative of the greater environmental harm that could result from the pipeline entering operation.

thank you for clarification

this is the reasoning of the left in politics, the end justifies the means

it's ok to willfully cause a pipeline spill because it might have happened some day anyways and we all just want you to feel the full effect of an environmental disaster.

then you can come back and say "i told you so".

can you not see the incredible hypocrisy of your thinking? that your reasoning is parallel to many of the great left "leaders" of the past 100 years like Stalin, Castro et al?

**shakes head**

[mbonder]

Attempting to create an environmental disaster to stop another environmental disaster is still an environmental disaster and is just plain irresponsible behavior, there is no justification.

People have become so blinded.

[BraveUlysses]

stalin and castro, noted vandals

[marshallnoise]

There is justification: If you are paranoid that a disaster will happen and everyone tells you that you are paranoid, you go out and make it happen so you can tell everyone they were wrong.

Its a mental disorder, flat out.

[marshallnoise]

stalin and castro, noted vandals

gwb has got your dick hard, huh? You just love it! ;D

[ForcedFirebird]

There is justification: If you are paranoid that a disaster will happen and everyone tells you that you are paranoid, you go out and make it happen so you can tell everyone they were wrong.

Its a mental disorder, flat out.

Self fulfilling prophecy...

A self-fulfilling prophecy is a prediction that directly or indirectly causes itself to become true, by the very terms of the prophecy itself, due to positive feedback between belief and behavior.

[decay]

Attempting to create an environmental disaster to stop another environmental disaster is still an environmental disaster and is just plain irresponsible behavior, there is no justification.

People have become so blinded.

uh, there was no disaster, unless you consider a delay in the pipeline entering operation to be such a thing.

[marshallnoise]

uh, there was no disaster, unless you consider a delay in the pipeline entering operation to be such a thing.

Because your friends failed. Had you been there, I am sure your military experience would have been leveraged into a successful disaster.

EDIT: I am trolling you hard bro.

[decay]

Because your friends failed. Had you been there, I am sure your military experience would have been leveraged into a successful disaster.

EDIT: I am trolling you hard bro.

uh, you know i *was* there, with the veterans' camp, right?

i bought body armor, rented a Land Cruiser, and drove across the country. i got put on detail building those shelters you saw on fire in the news a couple weeks back.

[marshallnoise]

uh, you know i *was* there, with the veterans' camp, right?

Oh yeah, I know that. But you weren't there when this environmental disaster attempt was carried out, right?

[decay]

Oh yeah, I know that. But you weren't there when this environmental disaster attempt was carried out, right?

again, you're wrong to characterize it that way.

sabotage? yes, it is that. but no disaster happened, and your hyperbole isn't really doing anything other than making you look silly.

what did you think was going to happen when the army corps of engineers (you know, the people we trust to have the final say on this sort of thing) recommended a review of the situation and drumpf overrode it with an EO?

[marshallnoise]

again, you're wrong to characterize it that way.

sabotage? yes, it is that. but no disaster happened, and your hyperbole isn't really doing anything other than making you look silly.

what did you think was going to happen when the army corps of engineers (you know, the people we trust to have the final say on this sort of thing) recommended a review of the situation and drumpf overrode it with an EO?

I am not characterizing anything. The attempt was to destroy property in a manner as to cause a failure in the pipe which very obviously would lead to the environment being destroyed. Just because it failed, that doesn't change the intent.

Its like attempting to rob a house but stopping because the lock wouldn't budge. Was it still attempted robbery? Uh, duh. Yes!

I am pretty sure you are the one looking silly for defending this type of action. Your rationale essentially says that humans were compelled to vandalize/destroy property. That's crazy talk.

[decay]

"One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." -MLKjr

[marshallnoise]

"One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." -MLKjr

Well, that's cute. And irrelevant.

[naplesE30]

Decay, what your movement did is the equivalent of cutting the brake lines on a car, and then saying because the owner saw it before he drove its no big deal, and we were justified in doing it because there is a slim chance the owner may drive drunk sometime in the future.