Petulant Children of UC Berkeley

[BraveUlysses]

marshall reminds me of that joke about how cats are the ultimate libertarians; totally convinced of their own independence but in reality, completely the opposite.

do you think *you've* never benefited from anything *my* tax dollars paid for? (hint: pretty sure i pay in more than you do)

Its almost as if the real 'petulant child' is the op

[mrsleeve]

Intentionally Missing the point for 800 please Alex. ......

[marshallnoise]

marshall reminds me of that joke about how cats are the ultimate libertarians; totally convinced of their own independence but in reality, completely the opposite.

do you think *you've* never benefited from anything *my* tax dollars paid for? (hint: pretty sure i pay in more than you do)

For a fella who throws the Dunning-Kruger insult around a lot, you sure have an over inflated sense of self-importance.

"You didn't build that." - B.O./decay

[Kershaw]

I'd like to see someone prove that that really did something 100% by themselves.

I'd like to laugh at their crazy preposterous notions.

[marshallnoise]

Easy? If you REALLY believe that, you should hate the USA. Because the USA is built on confiscating money/liberty/wealth/property from others and redistributing it.

From the very beginning right up to the present day. We took the land and wealth from the Native Americas and we took the money and wealth away from the Iraqis. That's the way we do business. And deregulation only enhances that mode of operation. The more money you have, the easier it is to make more money and keep others down. So technically, because you profit from living in the USA, and the USA confiscates wealth from other countries, I want to see you giving your ill gotten gains back. Please post videos of you handing out dollars to foreign governments.

Or you can stop being simple about this.

There are so many very, very strange conclusions in your rant above that I am not sure I can even begin to unwind that rats nest of a head on your shoulders. So I am just going to slowly step away. :(

[Kershaw]

If you don't see that... you're pretty blind. The US is pretty hypocritical when it comes to freedom and democracy and pulling yourself up by your boot straps.

[z31maniac]

There are so many very, very strange conclusions in your rant above that I am not sure I can even begin to unwind that rats nest of a head on your shoulders. So I am just going to slowly step away. :(

I think you should read, "I, Pencil"

[marshallnoise]

I think you should read, "I, Pencil"

I have read it many, many times. If you are citing it as an example for why not one person can build a pencil from start to finish on their own, you have missed the point of the story. Someone cut down the trees, someone made the machines to cut the trees down, someone made the truck to drive the trees to the factory, someone built the factory...ad nauseum.

The point if I, Pencil is that the government can't will a pencil to be made. It takes profit motive and work of individuals to turn their capital (labor and tools) into the pieces that eventually turn into a pencil.

Yet you would use the wonderful lesson to prove that confiscation of the means of production is valid because "a pencil doesn't make itself."

Talk about losing the forest for the trees.

[marshallnoise]

If you don't see that... you're pretty blind. The US is pretty hypocritical when it comes to freedom and democracy and pulling yourself up by your boot straps.

Context. And no, other than the mistreatment of Native Americans, we haven't stolen shit from anyone. The United States is not an imperialist nation in the same sense that Great Britain, the Netherlands, France, Spain and Portugal were.

[Sirotto]

I will respond to this when not on phone

Intentionally Missing the point for 800 please Alex. ......

That was a long phone call.

[BraveUlysses]

That was a long phone call.

Good thing he made the placeholder post!

[Massive Lee]

Context. And no, other than the mistreatment of Native Americans, we haven't stolen shit from anyone. The United States is not an imperialist nation in the same sense that Great Britain, the Netherlands, France, Spain and Portugal were.

Indeed. The US has its own version of imperialism. Otherwise their military bases would be restricted solely to the US territory and they wouldn't be involved in foreign governments overturns... ;-)

[marshallnoise]

Indeed. The US has its own version of imperialism. Otherwise their military bases would be restricted solely to the US territory and they wouldn't be involved in foreign governments overturns... ;-)

Not even remotely the same. The US isn't colonizing Peru for example.

Overturning governments (not arguing the merits of this) is not imperialism or colonization. Don't get confused.

[nando]

it's passive aggressive imperialism - occupy your country, undermine your government/economy, and reap the benefits. But technically, we didn't take them over..

[marshallnoise]

You are out of your gourd if you believe that.

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