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  • parkerbink
    R3V OG
    • Jun 2004
    • 10134

    #1831
    Not just misleading. Not merely false. A lie.



    The first denial that Donald Trump knew about hush-money payments to silence women came four days before he was elected president, when his spokeswoman Hope Hicks said, without hedging, “We have no knowledge of any of this.”

    The second came in January of this year, when his attorney Michael Cohen said the allegations were “outlandish.” By March, two of the president’s spokesmen — Raj Shah and Sarah Huckabee Sanders — said publicly that Trump denied all the allegations and any payments. Even Cohen’s attorney, David Schwartz, got in on the action, saying the president “was not aware of any of it.”

    In April, Trump finally weighed in, answering a question about whether he knew about a payment to porn star Stephanie Clifford, who uses the stage name Stormy Daniels, with a flat “no.”

    It’s now clear that the president’s statement was a lie — and that the people speaking for him repeated it.

    One of the distinguishing characteristics of Donald Trump’s presidency has been his loose relationship with facts. As of the beginning of this month, The Washington Post’s Fact Checker had documented 4,229 false or misleading claims from the president — an average of nearly 7.6 a day.

    Trump’s allies have defended the president by suggesting that facts are debatable. Early in his presidency, one aide famously said he was operating with “alternative facts.” On Aug. 19, Trump attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani declared: “Truth isn’t truth.”

    How to characterize Trump’s statements has become its own pitched political battle, with many of the president’s critics demanding that they be called “lies.” The Fact Checker has been hesitant to go that far, as it is difficult to document whether the president knows he is not telling the truth.

    On Aug. 22, Sanders said during a White House briefing that it was “a ridiculous accusation” to say the president has lied to the American people.

    But this week’s guilty plea by Cohen offers indisputable evidence that Trump and his allies have been deliberately dishonest at every turn in their statements regarding payments to Daniels and Playboy model Karen McDougal.

    Here is the definitive story of a Trump lie:
    The initial lie: ‘no knowledge’
    Nov. 4, 2016: The Wall Street Journal reports days before the election that the National Enquirer agreed to pay $150,000 to McDougal, a former Playboy centerfold model, for an account of an alleged affair with Trump but did not publish it, part of a “catch and kill” operation.

    The publisher of the National Enquirer, American Media Inc., issues a statement: “AMI has not paid people to kill damaging stories about Mr. Trump.” Trump campaign spokeswoman Hope Hicks says: “We have no knowledge of any of this.”

    What we know now: In August 2015, Cohen; David Pecker, the chairman of AMI; and “one or more members of the campaign” forged an agreement under which AMI would deal with negative stories about Trump’s “relationships with women” by purchasing the stories and then not publishing anything, according to the criminal information filed by federal prosecutors in the Cohen case. (In court, Cohen said he took action “at the request of the candidate” and knew it was illegal.) In August 2016, McDougal was paid $150,000 by AMI for the rights to her story -- which the National Enquirer never published.
    More revelations, more disinformation
    Jan. 12, 2018: The Wall Street Journal exposes the $130,000 payment to Daniels. Cohen and the White House sidestep questions about the payment but deny that an affair between Daniels and Trump ever took place. “This is now the second time that you are raising outlandish allegations against my client," Cohen tells the Journal. "You have attempted to perpetuate this false narrative for over a year; a narrative that has been consistently denied by all parties since at least 2011.”

    Jan. 18: White House spokesman Raj Shah dodges questions about Daniels by telling reporters: “This matter was asked and answered during the campaign, and anything else could be directed to Michael Cohen.”
    The lie evolves: Cohen made the payments on his own
    Feb. 13: Cohen tells the New York Times he used his own funds to pay Daniels. “Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly,” he says. “The payment to Ms. Clifford was lawful, and was not a campaign contribution or a campaign expenditure by anyone.”

    What we know now: Cohen, in pleading guilty to two felony violations of campaign finance law, said he was reimbursed by the Trump Organization. Court filings showed that the company “grossed up” the payments to cover Cohen’s taxes and added a bonus, for a total of $420,000 in payments, according to the criminal information.
    Trump’s spokesmen keep saying he ‘was not aware of any of it’

    March 7: White House press secretary Sanders asserts that the president told her he was unaware of the payments. “I’ve had conversations with the president about this,” she says. “There was no knowledge of any payments from the president, and he’s denied all of these allegations.” She adds: “Anything beyond that, I would refer you to the president’s outside counsel.”

    March 9: Michael Avenatti, Daniels’s lawyer, discloses emails showing that Cohen used his Trump Organization email address when he arranged the $130,000 wire transfer. Cohen tells ABC News that he used his own funds: “The funds were taken from my home equity line and transferred internally to my LLC account in the same bank.” He says the use of the Trump Organization email address meant nothing because “I basically used it for everything.”

    March 26: After Daniels appears on CBS’s “60 Minutes” to describe the alleged affair, White House spokesman Raj Shah sidesteps a question about whether the Trump campaign violated campaign finance laws, referring reporters to Cohen. “The president strongly, clearly and consistently denied the underlying claims,” he adds.

    March 28: David Schwartz, an attorney for Cohen, tells CNN that Trump was completely unaware of the payment. “The president was not aware of the agreement. At least Michael Cohen never told him about the agreement. I can tell you that,” he says. Asked whether Trump was aware of the money, Schwartz affirms: “He was not aware of any of it.”


    What we know now: Cohen, in making his guilty plea, said he worked “in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office,” referring to Trump, to make payments to thwart McDougal and Daniels from telling their stories.

    March 29: Schwartz tells NBC News that Trump “100 percent” did not reimburse Cohen.
    Trump weighs in: ‘I don’t know’

    April 5: Trump flatly tells reporters he did not know about the $130,000 payment.

    Reporter: “Did you know about the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels?”

    Trump: “No, no.”

    Reporter: “Then why did Michael Cohen make [the payment], if there was no truth to her allegations?”

    Trump: “You’ll have to ask Michael Cohen. Michael’s my attorney, and you’ll have to ask Michael.”

    Reporter: “Do you know where he got the money to make that payment?”

    Trump: “No. I don’t know.”

    What we know now: Every answer was false. Trump knew about the payment, he knew Cohen made the payment as part of an effort to kill damaging stories, and he knew Cohen was reimbursed.
    The lie shifts again: Trump ‘did know about the general arrangement’
    April 26: The White House spin starts to shift after Cohen’s office is raided by federal prosecutors on April 9. Trump tells Fox News: “Michael would represent me, and represent me on some things. He represents me — like with this crazy Stormy Daniels deal, he represented me.”


    May 2: Giuliani tells Fox News that Trump paid Cohen back for the $130,000 payment, but it could not be considered a campaign finance violation.

    “They funneled it through the law firm, and the president repaid it,” Giuliani says, adding that it “is going to turn out to be perfectly legal. That money was not campaign money. Sorry, I’m giving you a fact now that you don’t know. It’s not campaign money, no campaign finance violation.”

    Giuliani suggests Trump was largely in the dark about what the money was used for. "He didn’t know about the specifics of it, as far as I know. But he did know about the general arrangement, that Michael would take care of things like this,” he says.


    May 3: Trump tweets about the supposed arrangement. “Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA,” he says, adding: “Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll [sic] in this transaction.”

    What we know now: This was a lie. Cohen did not get repaid through a monthly retainer. He sought reimbursement for the payment, and the Trump Organization agreed to pay $420,000, at a monthly rate of $35,000, according to court filings. The company then falsely listed the payments in its books as a retainer for legal work. “In truth and in fact, there was no such retainer agreement, and the monthly invoices Cohen submitted were not in connection for any legal services he had provided in 2017,” prosecutors wrote.

    The lie unravels
    May 4: Giuliani releases a statement in which he claims the payment to Daniels was intended only to “protect the president’s family” from painful publicity about an alleged affair and that “it would have been done in any event, whether he was a candidate or not.”

    What we know now: The deal with Daniels was part of an arrangement to shield Trump from negative stories that was hatched by Cohen, AMI and the Trump campaign shortly after he started running for president, according to court filings.

    July 24: Cohen attorney Lanny Davis releases a recording that Cohen had secretly made of a conversation with Trump two months before the election, in which the two discussed the arrangement with the National Enquirer to pay $150,000 to McDougal.

    Aug. 21: Cohen, in court, implicates Trump by admitting that the hush-money payments had been intended to help the campaign. The payment to Daniels was deemed an excessive campaign contribution by Cohen — and the McDougal payment from AMI violated a ban on corporate donations to campaigns.

    Epilogue
    Aug. 22: In a Fox News interview, Trump sought to reframe the issue. He insisted that the payments had not been a “campaign violation.” The payments “didn’t come out of the campaign,” he said. “They came from me.”

    After months of denial and deception, Trump was still not telling the truth.

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    • saucers
      Wrencher
      • Apr 2016
      • 273

      #1832
      Queue the "but Obama!"

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      • decay
        R3V Elite
        • Oct 2003
        • 5637

        #1833
        Originally posted by saucers
        Queue the "but Obama!"
        "but her emails" also acceptable.
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        • gwb72tii
          No R3VLimiter
          • Nov 2005
          • 3864

          #1834
          so if i understand you reasoning

          it's the same as parker diddling his babysitter
          paying her to keep her mouth closed
          denying it
          finally having to admit it

          and somehow this is surprising?

          and if i understand your reasoning

          all of you would have admitted to the diddling and hush money up front?


          IMPEACH!!!!
          “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
          Sir Winston Churchill

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          • parkerbink
            R3V OG
            • Jun 2004
            • 10134

            #1835
            Originally posted by gwb72tii
            so if i understand you reasoning

            it's the same as parker diddling his babysitter
            paying her to keep her mouth closed
            denying it
            finally having to admit it

            and somehow this is surprising?

            and if i understand your reasoning

            all of you would have admitted to the diddling and hush money up front?


            IMPEACH!!!!
            If I needed a babysitter for my kids (32, 30 & 28) I have bigger problems than babysitter cheating.

            I sense you are admitting to something. Care to say more?

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            • gwb72tii
              No R3VLimiter
              • Nov 2005
              • 3864

              #1836
              Originally posted by parkerbink
              If I needed a babysitter for my kids (32, 30 & 28) I have bigger problems than babysitter cheating.

              I sense you are admitting to something. Care to say more?
              Sure

              Your (and other leftie's) moral outrage at Trump lying about an affair and payoff is amusing. That somehow Trump is unique in that what he lies about has finally crossed some sort of moral line that outrages you.

              Having consensual sex, an affair, and lying about paying for her silence is worse than say, lying about Benghazi, exercising executive privilege to keep documents secret about Fast and Furious and others. Where has your moral outrage been Parker?

              And that half of the American electorate that votes is willing to look the other way somehow surprises you, Massive and others, is surprising to those of us that approve of what Trump has accomplished as President.

              We've heard all the pretty campaign speeches from The Messiah Obama, Bush,Clinton etc. And voted for them, and what did we get? Nothing except a sore asshole.

              Do you actually take the time to wonder how you could be silent before Trump and are now outraged? And how Trump's approval has surged among black voters and Hispanic voters?
              “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
              Sir Winston Churchill

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              • parkerbink
                R3V OG
                • Jun 2004
                • 10134

                #1837
                Originally posted by gwb72tii
                Sure

                Your (and other leftie's) moral outrage at Trump lying about an affair and payoff is amusing. That somehow Trump is unique in that what he lies about has finally crossed some sort of moral line that outrages you.

                Having consensual sex, an affair, and lying about paying for her silence is worse than say, lying about Benghazi, exercising executive privilege to keep secret documents about Fast and Furious and others. Where has your moral outrage been Parker?

                And that half of the American electorate that votes is willing to look the other way somehow surprises you, Massive and others, is surprising to those of us that approve of what Trump has accomplished as President.

                We've heard all the pretty campaign speeches from The Messiah Obama, Bush,Clinton etc. And voted for them, and what did we get? Nothing except a sore asshole.

                Do you actually take the time to wonder how you could be silent before Trump and are now outraged? And how Trump's approval has surged among black voters and Hispanic voters?
                Your whatabotism and ignorance hurts my eyes. Trump's inability to tell A truth is unacceptable.

                He has had more than six stories about this issue (payoffs to women)

                He has a lifetime of fraud, misappropriation of funds and theft. His cronies have had more scandals and arrests/convictions in 19 months than previous administrations in 8 years.

                It was not half of the voters that voted for him and only the perfect storm of events that lead to his win.

                Go find a ludicrous link to post. It's been a while since you have provided a laugh.

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                • parkerbink
                  R3V OG
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 10134

                  #1838
                  Trump f00ked.....

                  Trump’s financial gatekeeper granted immunity in Cohen probe


                  Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Organization’s longtime executive vice president and chief financial officer, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors, according to a report Friday. Weisselber…


                  President Trump’s bad week reportedly got worse Friday with the revelation that Allen Weisselberg — the Trump Organization’s longtime executive vice president and chief financial officer — was granted immunity by federal prosecutors.

                  Weisselberg provided information about Trump’s former personal lawyer and longtime fixer Michael Cohen, who pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges in federal court in Manhattan on Tuesday,wafflesThe Wall Street Journal reported.

                  Weisselberg testified before a federal grand jury in the investigation earlier this year, The Journal had previously reported, citing sources familiar with the probe.

                  The decision by the Manhattan US attorney’s office to give immunity to Weisselberg significantly ramps up the pressure on Trump.

                  Weisselberg for years has been what the paper called Trump’s financial gatekeeper, and he took control of the president’s financial assets and business interests along with his sons Eric and Donald Jr. after the election.

                  The news came a day after it was revealed that David Pecker, CEO of American Media Inc., the company that publishes the National Enquirer,waffleshad also been granted immunityby federal prosecutors.

                  Pecker, a longtime pal of the president’s and regular at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, reportedly told prosecutorswafflesabout the roles Trump and Cohen played in paying off Stormy Daniels, the porn star, and Karen McDougal, a Playboy Playmate, so they would keep quiet about their alleged hookups with the then-reality TV star in 2006.

                  The same day Cohen pleaded guilty, Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was convicted of eight counts of bank and tax fraudwafflesin federal court in Virginia.

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                  • gwb72tii
                    No R3VLimiter
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 3864

                    #1839
                    Originally posted by parkerbink
                    Trump f00ked.....

                    Trump’s financial gatekeeper granted immunity in Cohen probe


                    Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Organization’s longtime executive vice president and chief financial officer, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors, according to a report Friday. Weisselber…


                    President Trump’s bad week reportedly got worse Friday with the revelation that Allen Weisselberg — the Trump Organization’s longtime executive vice president and chief financial officer — was granted immunity by federal prosecutors.

                    Weisselberg provided information about Trump’s former personal lawyer and longtime fixer Michael Cohen, who pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges in federal court in Manhattan on Tuesday,wafflesThe Wall Street Journal reported.

                    Weisselberg testified before a federal grand jury in the investigation earlier this year, The Journal had previously reported, citing sources familiar with the probe.

                    The decision by the Manhattan US attorney’s office to give immunity to Weisselberg significantly ramps up the pressure on Trump.

                    Weisselberg for years has been what the paper called Trump’s financial gatekeeper, and he took control of the president’s financial assets and business interests along with his sons Eric and Donald Jr. after the election.

                    The news came a day after it was revealed that David Pecker, CEO of American Media Inc., the company that publishes the National Enquirer,waffleshad also been granted immunityby federal prosecutors.

                    Pecker, a longtime pal of the president’s and regular at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, reportedly told prosecutorswafflesabout the roles Trump and Cohen played in paying off Stormy Daniels, the porn star, and Karen McDougal, a Playboy Playmate, so they would keep quiet about their alleged hookups with the then-reality TV star in 2006.

                    The same day Cohen pleaded guilty, Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was convicted of eight counts of bank and tax fraudwafflesin federal court in Virginia.
                    so more about payoffs to two women that are not a crime?
                    “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
                    Sir Winston Churchill

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                    • gwb72tii
                      No R3VLimiter
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 3864

                      #1840
                      where's the beef?

                      we were told that Trump had committed treason, had colluded with Russia to steal the election.

                      And now we are down to paying off two women to shut up about having laid Trump.

                      wow, just................wow
                      “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
                      Sir Winston Churchill

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                      • saucers
                        Wrencher
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 273

                        #1841
                        Originally posted by gwb72tii
                        where's the beef?

                        we were told that Trump had committed treason, had colluded with Russia to steal the election.

                        And now we are down to paying off two women to shut up about having laid Trump.

                        wow, just................wow
                        If it comes out that trump worked directly with Russia to better his chances to win the election, be honest, would you even care?

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                        • parkerbink
                          R3V OG
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 10134

                          #1842
                          Originally posted by gwb72tii
                          where's the beef?

                          we were told that Trump had committed treason, had colluded with Russia to steal the election.

                          And now we are down to paying off two women to shut up about having laid Trump.

                          wow, just................wow
                          Do you have Mueller's report? NO.

                          In the investigationS these smaller (but valid and unacceptable) crimeS are revealed. The Clinton investigation started with a land deal and ended with a hummer. Were you appalled about that????

                          Even if there was no collusion, Trump's inability to protect us from Russian meddling since his election and his inability to say a bad word about Putin AND his performance in Helsinki he is a traitor.

                          We will see what Mueller says and until then 45+ years of fraud are finally coming home to bite Trump in the ass.

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                          • gwb72tii
                            No R3VLimiter
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 3864

                            #1843
                            Originally posted by parkerbink
                            Do you have Mueller's report? NO.

                            In the investigationS these smaller (but valid and unacceptable) crimeS are revealed. The Clinton investigation started with a land deal and ended with a hummer. Were you appalled about that????

                            Even if there was no collusion, Trump's inability to protect us from Russian meddling since his election and his inability to say a bad word about Putin AND his performance in Helsinki he is a traitor.

                            We will see what Mueller says and until then 45+ years of fraud are finally coming home to bite Trump in the ass.
                            i love your wild allegations being supported by facts Parker. You'd make the ideal juror LOLOL.

                            I would assume that Trump has been under the watchful eye of legal authorities and the IRS for years, yet to my knowledge has never been convicted of anything.

                            So here's the rub. Good luck in 2022 after (if) the Democrats take the house, move to impeach and fail (Senate will never convict) and drag the country through another drama, worse than the last 2 years. Impeachment is the only campaign issue the left has given the state of the economy, record low unemployment, 50 year low jobless claims, and rising approval among minorities.

                            Democrats are going to be in the minority for a long long time after they increasingly pit factions of the US against each other, and are seen for what they are. Kayne West has figured it out already.
                            “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
                            Sir Winston Churchill

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                            • parkerbink
                              R3V OG
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 10134

                              #1844
                              Originally posted by gwb72tii
                              i love your wild allegations being supported by facts Parker. You'd make the ideal juror LOLOL.

                              I would assume that Trump has been under the watchful eye of legal authorities and the IRS for years, yet to my knowledge has never been convicted of anything.

                              So here's the rub. Good luck in 2022 after (if) the Democrats take the house, move to impeach and fail (Senate will never convict) and drag the country through another drama, worse than the last 2 years. Impeachment is the only campaign issue the left has given the state of the economy, record low unemployment, 50 year low jobless claims, and rising approval among minorities.

                              Democrats are going to be in the minority for a long long time after they increasingly pit factions of the US against each other, and are seen for what they are. Kayne West has figured it out already.
                              What wild allegations? I post links to respected valid sites and facts. You otoh, not so much.

                              I do want to sincerely thank you for this post. You are usually wrong so hopefully by posting that it cements it's not coming to fruition.

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                              • parkerbink
                                R3V OG
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 10134

                                #1845
                                I'm looking forward to Trump saying:
                                Don Jr.? I barely know him, he has been with me for 40 years but I rarely saw him.


                                lol

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