Trump Thread 2.0

[nando]

Where there's smoke, there's a raging inferno..

Trump says he didn't discuss hacked emails with Roger Stone. A bipartisan Senate report says he did.

The report says the committee assessed that Trump discussed hacked emails with Roger Stone — even though Trump told Mueller he didn't recall doing so.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...id=recommended

The question is, why do the GOP members of this committee still support him? I guess in that position where power is apparently all that matters, it's easy enough to make excuses and justifications even in the face of their own evidence.

[roguetoaster]

But it only takes voting to prevent one.

Yours is a romantic notion, but not consistent with history. Before being called dictators by history, they were called great men by those that supported and gave them power. Ultimately it's a perversion of history to forget that histories greatest despots were voted in to power.

There is simply no one so secure that they cannot be killed so long as the killer acts completely alone, has decent funding, continues to live a fairly normal life, is willing to tolerate collateral deaths, and is prepared to not survive. Obviously many attempts fail, and failure is likely to lead to significant consequences in that nation.

Also, dictators typically subvert the normal processes of government to sieze and then remain in power. Clearly there are other ways, and specific sequences of events that leave the door open to a takeover of a representative system.

[CarpHunter]

It also only ever takes one determined person willing to give up their life to remove a dictator.

But it only takes voting to prevent one.

Yours is a romantic notion, but not consistent with history. Before being called dictators by history, they were called great men by those that supported and gave them power. Ultimately it's a perversion of history to forget that histories greatest despots were voted in to power.

[roguetoaster]

Not necessarily, here's a link from those asking questions. The United States is only a sig away from being a dictatorship, would be a stretch but look who has hinted at all his powa under the hood...

It also only ever takes one determined person willing to give up their life to remove a dictator.

[bradmer]

If it comes down to it, tens of thousands of people still have to go along with it. Also, we don't know the extent of those emergency powers, or under what circumstances then can be invoked, or even if there is any type of oversight/review.

Considering the era of their origin, I suspect that the original intent was to provide a legal justification for otherwise illegal action in the event of a sudden military conflict. However, if they were in the way it looks like they may have been there's probably some sort of JCS tie in.

Not necessarily, here's a link from those asking questions. The United States is only a sig away from being a dictatorship, would be a stretch but look who has hinted at all his powa under the hood...

[nando]

Clusterfuck.


https://www.dailytarheel.com/article...ters-edit-0816

This also perfectly describes the Trump administration as well. ;)

[ForcedFirebird]

He is gonna have a field day with this:

https://m.thebl.com/us-news/fake-russian-collusion-ex-fbi-lawyer-will-plead-guilty-to-forging-documents-against-president-trump.html

[roguetoaster]

Presidential Emergency Action Documents or P.E.A.D.'s
Looks like he may try to postpone the election for real with those secret powers he's been talking about. No congress to consider, only close advisers to guide/steer the new Amerikan dictatorship should they try it. To know about them Trump had to have his attorneys' digging for ways to circumvent democracy. None of this looks good for anyone under the flag so I am cautiously optimistic that those closest to him will not allow it to happen.
Senior Senators and Congressmen who review classified CIA stuff claim they never knew this existed. Perhaps because it's the Justice Dept?

If it comes down to it, tens of thousands of people still have to go along with it. Also, we don't know the extent of those emergency powers, or under what circumstances then can be invoked, or even if there is any type of oversight/review.

Considering the era of their origin, I suspect that the original intent was to provide a legal justification for otherwise illegal action in the event of a sudden military conflict. However, if they were in the way it looks like they may have been there's probably some sort of JCS tie in.

[bradmer]

Presidential Emergency Action Documents or P.E.A.D.'s
Looks like he may try to postpone the election for real with those secret powers he's been talking about. No congress to consider, only close advisers to guide/steer the new Amerikan dictatorship should they try it. To know about them Trump had to have his attorneys' digging for ways to circumvent democracy. None of this looks good for anyone under the flag so I am cautiously optimistic that those closest to him will not allow it to happen.
Senior Senators and Congressmen who review classified CIA stuff claim they never knew this existed. Perhaps because it's the Justice Dept?

[ForcedFirebird]

ID10T for the inquisitive....

Edit: Kanye is about as important as Billary in this election.

[ForcedFirebird]

Kyane appeals to himself, and nothing more. Any idiot protesting Grammy is an eye dee ten tee in my book.

[roguetoaster]

Yeah it's bizarre. I think their idea is all black people will vote for him because he's black, you know, because they're racist morons? Do black people even like Kanye West?

Well, he probably appeals to idiots of all races, so across the spectrum of idiots he'd draw voters from all parties too. Considering how someone voting for West is an idiot they'd probably be just as likely to select a presidential candidate at random, should they even be able to understand how to vote, so there shouldn't be much of an impact.

On a serious note, we can't be sure at this stage if the West "campaign" is just paying political operators who'll work for anyone, or if there is some sort of misguided effort to draw votes from Biden. Seen a in a vacuum, West would probably draw votes from Biden as he is at the absolute other end of just about every spectrum. However, most of us don't exist in a vacuum, but some days I wish more of us did, what with the lack of oxygen.

[nando]

Yeah it's bizarre. I think their idea is all black people will vote for him because he's black, you know, because they're racist morons? Do black people even like Kanye West?

[phillipj]

Also, Kanye West.. with Kushner trying to get him on the ballot, I think that is likely to backfire as well. There's only a smattering of polls out there, but it looks like he's pulling support from Trump, not Biden. Oops.

Well, it's more than just Kushner trying to get him on the Ballot:


WISCONSIN

Lane Ruhland, a former legal counsel for the Wisconsin Republican Party, was seen last week dropping off signatures for West to qualify in Wisconsin. Ruhland, who did not respond to a request for comment, represented the Trump campaign in a lawsuit at the end of July.

The Campaign for Accountability, a nonprofit watchdog group, filed a complaint with the Wisconsin Office of Lawyer Regulation to "investigate whether attorney Lane Ruhland engaged in conduct inconsistent with her ethical obligations as a member of the Wisconsin Bar."

"The fact that a lawyer for the Trump campaign is working to put Kanye West on the ballot suggests the West campaign is a sham," CFA Executive Director Michelle Kuppersmith said in a statement.


OHIO

An attorney at the Ohio law firm Isaac Wiles filed West's paperwork in the state. That firm has reportedly received thousands of dollars in legal consulting fees from the state House and Senate Republican campaign committees since 2015.


COLORADO

ABC reported that of Colorado's nine electors for West, four are current or former GOP operatives, including a former Colorado Republican political director. Vice News reported that Rachel George, a GOP strategist who runs her own communications firm and had worked for Republican Sen. Cory Gardner when he was in the House, sent an email to contacts asking them to sign up to support West. In an email obtained by Vice, George writes: "I have the most random favor to ask of you ever ... would you help me get Kanye West on the ballot in Colorado? No, I am not joking, and I realize this is hilarious."


"Bizarre and unusual"

Barry Burden, director of the Elections Research Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, says that while it's not unusual for a political party or party activists to try to keep a candidate off a ballot, the reverse is "bizarre and unusual."

"We've never really seen [that] before," Burden says.

"If this was happening in just one state, that there were a couple of Republican insiders who were aiding the Kanye West campaign, that would seem a little odd and kind of unexpected," he says. "But because we're seeing it now in multiple states, people who are either slated as electors, delegates or Republican attorneys working on behalf of Kanye West's effort to get on the ballot, it looks like something systematic and organized across large parts of the country."

[nando]

Yeah, I watched the original too. Trump was fumbling around with those "charts and graphs" like a 12 year old boy who forgot to do his homework and showed up late to class.

BTW, Trump has registered to vote by mail in Florida. So apparently, it's fraudulent.. unless he does it.

President Trump requests mail-in ballot ahead of Florida's primary election

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-m...election-2020/

I wouldn't be shocked if this ends up hurting him more than it helps him. A lot of those older, white, rural voters are probably going to want to vote by mail, but he's discouraging them. I think Democrats and Independents are going to try to vote no matter what.

Also, Kanye West.. with Kushner trying to get him on the ballot, I think that is likely to backfire as well. There's only a smattering of polls out there, but it looks like he's pulling support from Trump, not Biden. Oops.