Trump Thread 2.0

[BraveUlysses]

If your gonna say there is no place for racism then you need to say it on all levels not just white racism. This is just my opinion call me what ever names you'd like.

"hmm yes there's an extensive history of black systemically oppressing whites in this country" - an idiot, somewhere

[ThatOneEuroE30]

i guess, if you ignore all the other times he did not "wait for all the facts" before making a comment/tweet/press conference



considering one of his common campaign promises was to call islamic terrorism out as soon as possible why doesnt that extend to white nationalist terrorism? hmmmmmmm

Him not responding right away and saying he was waiting for all the facts does make zero sense especially cause of like you said he usually spouts off before he even knows whats going on. But my argument wasn't on the amount of time it took him to respond but the fact people are so upset he said both sides were violent and in the wrong. All the videos i have seen shows both sides going at each other not just the white nationalist. And like i said i am in no way shape or form a racist.

[BraveUlysses]

How else do you break a population that holds honorable death in service to ones emperor as the end all be all of service to ones self and family and country???? As unfortunate as those decisions were, in the end likely saved many hundreds of thousands if not a million lives on both sides by ending the conflict and not draging it out for another 5+ years. As allied forces would have ended up going house to house in all of japan dealing with every man woman and child fighting in vein to protect the homeland.


But then again you know all this already....... All I am saying is lets not condemn the shots that were called with the benefit of hindsight, and lacking the actual real time perspective of the time period with "modern" R.O.E. mindsets.

man i'm not even condemning anyone specifically, just that we have to learn from prior mistakes and strive to not do them again.

[ThatOneEuroE30]

"hmm yes there's an extensive history of black systemically oppressing whites in this country" - an idiot, somewhere

So your saying because there is not a prior history of blacks being racist toward whites that it doesn't exist?

[BraveUlysses]

Him not responding right away and saying he was waiting for all the facts does make zero sense especially cause of like you said he usually spouts off before he even knows whats going on. But my argument wasn't on the amount of time it took him to respond but the fact people are so upset he said both sides were violent and in the wrong. All the videos i have seen shows both sides going at each other not just the white nationalist. And like i said i am in no way shape or form a racist.

i'm not accusing you of being a racist, you dont have to keep saying that.

the 'both sides' shit would make sense if we had people dying from hand to hand combat but we had a dude get into a car, remove the license plates, plow into a crowd of people who weren't fighting, and then take off hitting more people in the process.

it's so easy to condemn just that part of what happened without saying anything about the conflicts but for some reason trump had a problem addressing it saturday.

[BraveUlysses]

So your saying because there is not a prior history of blacks being racist toward whites that it doesn't exist?

do you understand that systemic racism created and perpetuated by blacks against whites is not a thing in this country?

its extremely easy to say that individuals shouldn't be racist to eachother but it's another thing entirely to pretend there's an equivalent history of systemic racism in this country.

[ThatOneEuroE30]

Trump Thread 2.0

do you understand that systemic racism created and perpetuated by blacks against whites is not a thing in this country?



its extremely easy to say that individuals shouldn't be racist to eachother but it's another thing entirely to pretend there's an equivalent history of systemic racism in this country.

I never said there was systematic racism by blacks against white. Im saying that if your going to come out and say there should be no racism you need to say it on all race levels not just white against blacks. I understand that the racism of white against blacks is far worse and has been around way to long in this country but to act like other races cant be racists just boggles my mind and thats pretty much what people are saying. They are like white nationalist are bad and only white nationalist. Racism in general should not be a thing.

And the act of people getting ran over by the car was by one individual who acted on his own. There have been no reports of him being told to do so.

[cale]

How else do you break a population that holds honorable death in service to ones emperor as the end all be all of service to ones self and family and country???? As unfortunate as those decisions were, in the end likely saved many hundreds of thousands if not a million lives on both sides by ending the conflict and not draging it out for another 5+ years. As allied forces would have ended up going house to house in all of japan dealing with every man woman and child fighting in vein to protect the homeland.


But then again you know all this already....... All I am saying is lets not condemn the shots that were called with the benefit of hindsight, and lacking the actual real time perspective of the time period with "modern" R.O.E. mindsets.

The Japanese were already broken before the bombs were dropped. By the end, prior to the atomic attacks American bombers had free reign over the skies of Tokyo to firebomb and murdered thousands civilians and left countless homeless. Logistically the Japanese were defeated, they were running on whatever resources they had left and the American's continued to target civilians.

[naplesE30]

A good rule of thumb would be to ask oneself " Am I defending Nazis?" (Especially so after one person was murdered and many others very well could have been....19 injured) I dont particularly care that the other group was behaving criminally and has also been criminal in deed. I am not going to defend or rationalize Nazis.

Makes me wonder what would have happened in WWII had the Jews actually fought back. How would they and the Nazis have been portrayed? Would the Nazis atrocities then have been excusable in the minds of some because the Jews would have no longer been innocent lambs? Would more Germans have become sympathetic to the Nazi cause if they saw Jews actually fighting back?
People need to start thinking as individuals and not this group think. It is leading to more radical and extreme views consciously, or subconsciously.

[parkerbink]

The Japanese were already broken before the bombs were dropped. By the end, prior to the atomic attacks American bombers had free reign over the skies of Tokyo to firebomb and murdered thousands civilians and left countless homeless. Logistically the Japanese were defeated, they were running on whatever resources they had left and the American's continued to target civilians.

Read a book. The Japanese were talking peace up to the moment their bombs started falling on Pearl Harbor. They killed thousands in their beds witout warning (because their ambassador was late with the letter stating they were declaring war)

We warned them and asked them to surrender, they did not. We bombed them with the nuke, asked them to surrender, it took another.

If you want to blame the U.S. there is no shortage of blame, WWII, is not such a place (in the theater of war) .

It was otoh absolutely wrong interring Japanese Americans.

[z31maniac]

^You read a book.

How else do you break a population that holds honorable death in service to ones emperor as the end all be all of service to ones self and family and country???? As unfortunate as those decisions were, in the end likely saved many hundreds of thousands if not a million lives on both sides by ending the conflict and not draging it out for another 5+ years. As allied forces would have ended up going house to house in all of japan dealing with every man woman and child fighting in vein to protect the homeland.

This is complete and utter BS. Many Generals at the time indicated they were against the attack as Japan was broken, Japan was even trying to negotiate peace through Russia. The blockade and bombing campaigns already had the Japanese defeated.

But this isn't about the desire to use a new weapon to scare the rest of the world with our military might (which is precisely why we used the bomb) it's about the orange faced moron in the WH.

[cale]

I am not an apologist for either side, especially for the most heinous characters of the war (the Japanese). All I'm saying is the intentional targeting of civilians is atrocious, and the eye for an eye argument of it being in retaliation holds no weight with me. Often too, peoples understanding of the justification for escalating the war to nuclear levels is lacking. It may have been justifiable if the Japanese were still a viable threat at the time of Hiroshima/Nagasaki, they were not. Anyone who thinks those bombs were necessary to finish off the Japanese is the one who needs to do some reading, they were in pieces and lacking the means to continue a war.

[Wschnitz]

Japan was finished before the bombs were dropped, many military officials stated after the war it probably wasn't necessary.

Back to Virginia, the counter-protesters did have a permit, http://www.nbc29.com/story/36099395/...nite-the-right

Fox news and the President would have you believe they didn't so that they could justify blaming them for an 'equal' part in the actions that happened there. Meanwhile, the Unite the Right rally had their permit denied because the city said it was too small a park for the numbers expected (this was later overruled and admitted by a judge). Worth noting the Unite the Right rally was organized mainly by Jason Kessler, a true white supremacist, they replaced the rally that was trying to keep the statue with a rally full of Neo-Nazis. Further proof of this being not equal is the booked speakers for the Unite the Right rally are both White Nationalists/Supremacists, David Duke and Richard Spencer.

They even say its a White Nationalist rally, and say its ok to march beside them:

I want to be perfectly clear with you guys that many of the people who will be there are National Socialist and Ethnostate sort of groups. I don’t endorse them. In this case, the pursuit of preserving without shame white culture, our goals happen to align. I’ll be there regardless of the questionable company because saving history is more important than our differences. This is probably why they named the event “Unite the Right.” Speaking for myself only, I won't be punching right. We need to save civilization first, we can argue about the exact details later.

Worth noting that 90% of these confederate statues were erected during the early 1900s and 1940-60s, interestingly coinciding with historical times of race issues.

Trump should have called out the racists and ended it, his weak dick stance after waiting 3 days and spreading false information is ridiculous.

Don't defend this president, there is nothing left to defend. He can't even hold on to those jobs he keeps stroking himself about, he dissolved his council after they started leaving en masse cause of a massive idiot he is:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/897869174323728385

AKA "YOU CANT QUIT YOU'RE FIRED!" THATLL SHOW EM!

Right after he said this less then 24 hours earlier lmao:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/897478270442143744

[Wschnitz]

At this point all Trump can do is remove things Obama started, even if they were good ideas, just to be the guy who 'stuck it to the damn libs and Obama.' What a disgrace.

I actually kinda think he has nightmares about the 2011 correspondence dinner and that's why hes on this endless journey to just undo anything with Obamas name on it.

[MrBurgundy]

I do agree with the counter-protesters needing to take some of the blame. It wasn't a peaceful counter-protest.


I am not sympathizing towards the White Nationalist rally. Just my take on the situation.