Sanders or Biden? Where Do You Stand

[82eye]

We do have other parties, they're just more like the NDP or the Greens.

at least one of those parties is mainstream here lol.

the ndp currently holds the balance of power in our gov't. if they withdraw their support, the gov't falls. in order to remain in power the current governing party (liberal), has to adopt policies or even pass law, with the input of the lesser party. this is a forced compromise, and is generally a result of popular public opinion and want. because of the multi-party system, the politicians are forced to work together if they wanna get anywhere. you see this in europe as well, but it's much much different in the states.

no one gets too big for their britches in a multi-party circumstance.

[Victell]

[2mAn]

i wonder if a multi-party system would work for your guys. the bi-party system you have tends to exacerbate division pulling both sides farther and farther out to their extremes. you've lost all the middle ground where actual governance takes place and replaced it with inflammatory rhetoric and culture wars.

I agree with this and have been trying to advocate for it. Currently Andrew Yang is trying to get a third party to be a legitimate option.

Theres been too much of this "anybody but (fill in the blank)" voting going on and we end up with sh!theads on both sides

[roguetoaster]

i wonder if a multi-party system would work for your guys. the bi-party system you have tends to exacerbate division pulling both sides farther and farther out to their extremes. you've lost all the middle ground where actual governance takes place and replaced it with inflammatory rhetoric and culture wars.

we have 5 parties. 3 produce electable policies, 2 are relevant, and at least 2 others vacuum up the fringe elements on either spectrum. you're trying to cram all that viewpoint into just 2. it's no wonder there's substantially more volume than accomplishment.

We do have other parties, they're just more like the NDP or the Greens.

[82eye]

i wonder if a multi-party system would work for your guys. the bi-party system you have tends to exacerbate division pulling both sides farther and farther out to their extremes. you've lost all the middle ground where actual governance takes place and replaced it with inflammatory rhetoric and culture wars.

we have 5 parties. 3 produce electable policies, 2 are relevant, and at least 2 others vacuum up the fringe elements on either spectrum. you're trying to cram all that viewpoint into just 2. it's no wonder there's substantially more volume than accomplishment.

[nando]

The only difference this time, is that an entire side is not trying to obstruct EVERYTHING the other side is doing, such as was the case last presidency.

Maybe because the last president was trying to do everything he could to enrich and empower himself and his family/friends at the expense of the rest of the nation? Nahhh..

[roguetoaster]

The only difference this time, is that an entire side is not trying to obstruct EVERYTHING the other side is doing, such as was the case last presidency.

It has become completely typical for any side to oppose another for no reason beyond a party label. I believe this is completely un-American no matter who is doing it. Politics should be for the benefit of the people with a healthy back and forth with exchanges of power party to party over time.

Somewhat unrelated, but check out Bob Dole's op ed from some time before he died for a real view of Americanisim.

[2mAn]

The only difference this time, is that an entire side is not trying to obstruct EVERYTHING the other side is doing, such as was the case *EVERY* presidency.

you must've forget all the "support" Obama was given

[R3Z3N]

I dare say either of the folks in the thread title are/would be a darn sight better than the alternative. In any case the will of the populace was heard, just as it was last time, and I wish people could be dissatisfied while allowing the people in charge to rule while they are in instead of being completely obstructive.

Is Biden perfect? Heck no, plenty of missed opportunities and fumbles so far. But is that any different from any other new admin? Not really.

The only difference this time, is that an entire side is not trying to obstruct EVERYTHING the other side is doing, such as was the case last presidency.

[nando]

So Ummmm Hows this all working out for you guys???? seems to me this is a classic example of "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it!"

It's working out fine for me. Currently working on the biggest project of my career. Everyone in my family is now vaccinated, and they finally opened up the Canadian border. My investments have continued to do well too.

[2mAn]

I just wish there was a 3rd alternative. It would really put a thorn in the plan of those "anybody but xxxxxx" voters

[roguetoaster]

I dare say either of the folks in the thread title are/would be a darn sight better than the alternative. In any case the will of the populace was heard, just as it was last time, and I wish people could be dissatisfied while allowing the people in charge to rule while they are in instead of being completely obstructive.

Is Biden perfect? Heck no, plenty of missed opportunities and fumbles so far. But is that any different from any other new admin? Not really.

[mrsleeve]

So Ummmm Hows this all working out for you guys???? seems to me this is a classic example of "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it!"

[smooth]

Bernie's talking about the constitution as a whole with it's amendments, and, to my knowledge anyway(!) there are no asterisks on whether you can vote if you are a citizen and over 18. I guess he's being pretty true to the Constitution.

I guess I shouldn't have been surprised that the person you responded to linked Bernie's answer but didn't understand what he heard (if he even listened to the source he linked, which is questionable): Bernie states, at timestamp 1:40, that in his state of Vermont, from it's very first days, "our Constitution"...Bernie was referring to Vermont's *state* Constitution not the US Constitution.

Differentiating between the United States Constitution and each state's individual Constitution should be pretty basic civics principles...especially from someone who chastised Bernie supporters for allegedly not differentiating between "debt" and "deficit" but his failure to do so gives you insight into people who argue in bad faith.

[LowR3V'in]

bernie and biden are pretty much turds so far which one do you think can win in a debate against trump.
basically whos going to be the biggest shit talker on stage. maybe bernie but biden can also be a bigger asshole that might hurt him though.