hehehe, gotta love the e30 on track days!

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  • TIATO
    Wrencher
    • Oct 2003
    • 259

    #16
    As a fellow 318is driver with mucho seat time at Watkins Glen, Ill chime in with my track point of view.

    My 318is not stock by any stretch of the imagination - heavy suspension work, mild intake and exhaust work (custom CAI, exhaust, Conforti Software)

    No A/C, no trunk liner and definately no trunk tar. The 318s didint come with a lot from the factory that explains the weight difference (besides the engine)

    My whip weighs in at about 2650 lbs with a spare.

    On track I run street tires (BFG G-Force KDs) mounted on 15x7Kosei K1s

    Depending with whom I run with, I will run the in the intermediate to advanced/instructor run groups.

    I can consistently keep up with / outrun much faster cars in intermediate run groups (e36 M3s, M5s, 911s, 993s, Audi S4 (not the A4 variant) heck even Ferrari 308s) I can harrass Vipers and 993TTs .

    In the advanced / instructor run groups keeping up / passing is difficult and a challenge, as most folks are running full blown race cars. 318is vs. a Ferrari Challenge F355 - forget about it. But at least my car is more reliable.

    When instructors are not running race cars, I can hold my own.

    Ive driven much faster cars on track (1998 M3 and a Z3 M Coupe) and while they were fun, driving BMW 4 cylinder cars on track is an absolute blast and much more rewarding. Driving slow cars fast takes skill and balls. I drive my car at 9/10s to keep the faster equipment in check.

    The equalizing factor is the handling. I can brake later, and acclerate earlier or I can carry more speed through the corner as a whole.

    Anyone can drive fast in a straight line, fewer can in a corner. The turn is where the fun is.

    Of course one cant beat the economy of driving these bullit proof e30s on track. Acquisition cost is low, consumeables are cheap as are parts and the lightweight 318is provides for some amazing consumeable longevity.

    In the end its not about what you drive, its how you drive what you got and what you get out of it (skills, experience and fun). Passing faster cars is fun, but thats gravy.

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    • Snowmann
      E30 Addict
      • Jan 2004
      • 459

      #17
      Originally posted by TIATO
      As a fellow 318is driver with mucho seat time at Watkins Glen, Ill chime in with my track point of view.

      My 318is not stock by any stretch of the imagination - heavy suspension work, mild intake and exhaust work (custom CAI, exhaust, Conforti Software)

      No A/C, no trunk liner and definately no trunk tar. The 318s didint come with a lot from the factory that explains the weight difference (besides the engine)

      My whip weighs in at about 2650 lbs with a spare.

      On track I run street tires (BFG G-Force KDs) mounted on 15x7Kosei K1s

      Depending with whom I run with, I will run the in the intermediate to advanced/instructor run groups.

      I can consistently keep up with / outrun much faster cars in intermediate run groups (e36 M3s, M5s, 911s, 993s, Audi S4 (not the A4 variant) heck even Ferrari 308s) I can harrass Vipers and 993TTs .

      In the advanced / instructor run groups keeping up / passing is difficult and a challenge, as most folks are running full blown race cars. 318is vs. a Ferrari Challenge F355 - forget about it. But at least my car is more reliable.

      When instructors are not running race cars, I can hold my own.

      Ive driven much faster cars on track (1998 M3 and a Z3 M Coupe) and while they were fun, driving BMW 4 cylinder cars on track is an absolute blast and much more rewarding. Driving slow cars fast takes skill and balls. I drive my car at 9/10s to keep the faster equipment in check.

      The equalizing factor is the handling. I can brake later, and acclerate earlier or I can carry more speed through the corner as a whole.

      Anyone can drive fast in a straight line, fewer can in a corner. The turn is where the fun is.

      Of course one cant beat the economy of driving these bullit proof e30s on track. Acquisition cost is low, consumeables are cheap as are parts and the lightweight 318is provides for some amazing consumeable longevity.

      In the end its not about what you drive, its how you drive what you got and what you get out of it (skills, experience and fun). Passing faster cars is fun, but thats gravy.
      ok, our car runs full GC, solid bushings, DOT-R compounds, 4.10 or a 4.27 diff, and has the same performance mods as you, and weighs 2250 with driver w/o ballast... when we run the car at 2250 we can barely keep up with 325's, track days are hard to compare too, too many 'i just had an extra 100k layin aruond and bought a race car types'

      m42 = slowness

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      • TIATO
        Wrencher
        • Oct 2003
        • 259

        #18
        Hey Snow,

        I agree that racing and track days are hard to compare. And yes there are a lot of boys with their toys out there, but still feel that the 318is is not the sloth people make it out to be. My daily driver is a Supercharged e36 M3/4 and when I go from that car to the 318 I still dont think that the M42 is that slow of a car. Different driving styles I guess.

        Many props to you for racing your 318. Please continue to share your experience as you continue to run the M42. 2250lbs with driver - now thats a great weight - what did you do to get the car so light?

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        • oh2fly
          E30 Addict
          • Oct 2003
          • 519

          #19
          I invite you naysayers to come to a BMW track day at Portland's PIR. There are several fast e30s out there passing all kinds of supposedly faster cars with lots more h.p. I run the advanced group in our m50 powered e30 and there is a relatively stock 318is running with us that is tough to beat. They are momentum cars and can corner faster than most cars out there and get on the gas sooner with the right driver inside. If you think e30s are slow, you need to work on your driver skills. Not trying to be a dick, but you are mistaken.
          Last edited by oh2fly; 11-18-2005, 09:03 AM.
          1988 Alpine white M3
          1985 Delphin gray 323i, "Junkyard Dog"

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          • Rob
            Moderator
            • Oct 2003
            • 8166

            #20
            I would like to know also how you got 2250 w. driver...
            BEERTECH

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            • Digitalwave
              is a poseur
              • Oct 2003
              • 6280

              #21
              Originally posted by Rob
              I would like to know also how you got 2250 w. driver...
              Hell, even 2250 without the driver.

              RISING EDGE

              Let's drive fast and have fun.

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              • oh2fly
                E30 Addict
                • Oct 2003
                • 519

                #22
                If you take a non-sunroof 318i, totally gut the entire interior including the heater and only leave a dash, cluster and 2 race seats, you get a 2000 lb. car with an m42 drivetrain. Track day car and autocrosseronly, but lots of fun..
                1988 Alpine white M3
                1985 Delphin gray 323i, "Junkyard Dog"

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                • Digitalwave
                  is a poseur
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 6280

                  #23
                  Originally posted by oh2fly
                  If you take a non-sunroof 318i, totally gut the entire interior including the heater and only leave a dash, cluster and 2 race seats, you get a 2000 lb. car with an m42 drivetrain. Track day car and autocrosseronly, but lots of fun..
                  You mean M10 right? Because you said 318i, and I don't believe you mean the late model 4 door 318i with the M42.

                  RISING EDGE

                  Let's drive fast and have fun.

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                  • Jarvis
                    R3VLimited
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 2132

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Digitalwave
                    You mean M10 right? Because you said 318i, and I don't believe you mean the late model 4 door 318i with the M42.
                    He must.
                    Because there is no way that the interior and heater box/crap under the dash adds up to 600lbs...

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                    • 92 mtechnic cabrio
                      Honesty is not the best policy!
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 4907

                      #25
                      There's a saying around my track, "the older the car, the harder the driver pushes it"
                      R.I.P 07/01/09 - 04/23/10 :(

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                      • oh2fly
                        E30 Addict
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 519

                        #26
                        It's a 84 318i with a 90 318i m42 drivetrain. The car was corner weighted and I saw the weight numbers myself. Go to PIR next summer and you can see it for yourselves.
                        1988 Alpine white M3
                        1985 Delphin gray 323i, "Junkyard Dog"

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                        • Digitalwave
                          is a poseur
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 6280

                          #27
                          Originally posted by oh2fly
                          It's a 84 318i with a 90 318i m42 drivetrain. The car was corner weighted and I saw the weight numbers myself. Go to PIR next summer and you can see it for yourselves.
                          I wasn't doubting you, you just weren't clear on what the setup was.

                          RISING EDGE

                          Let's drive fast and have fun.

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                          • oh2fly
                            E30 Addict
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 519

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Digitalwave
                            I wasn't doubting you, you just weren't clear on what the setup was.
                            That's my specialty; confusion and chaos ;)
                            1988 Alpine white M3
                            1985 Delphin gray 323i, "Junkyard Dog"

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                            • Rob
                              Moderator
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 8166

                              #29
                              I think snowman is actually running a 91 chassis, so i'd like to know what he's done...
                              BEERTECH

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                              • Joe318is
                                R3V OG
                                • Sep 2005
                                • 6451

                                #30
                                baaaaaa s14 > m20, der im a fag


                                Originally posted by vlad
                                Do you know anybody else who built that many bad ass E30s?

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