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Originally posted by Charlie View PostI've seen similar setups around the NCC. It's not cheap, we're talking like a 1500 dollar deductible, plus something like 500 for the weekend. Makes sense for something like a 996 or E46 M3, not so much for a 1500 dollar e30.
-Charlie
I'm not so worried about finding another shell, but it you say wadded up an E30 like that Porsche, suspension wheels, now your cage, seats, harnesses everything else start to add up really quick.
Basically I could get the E30 insured for $10k for less than $75 a day and have a $1000 deductible. So $9k to replace the wheels/coilovers/cage and the car. So someone like me who has $2k in wheels/tires, $2k in suspension, etc etc, how is such a low amount not worth it to be able to replace it.
HPDE Insurance BUY NOW High Performance Driver Education Insurance Lockton Motorsports offers a policy that covers what standard auto insurance won't—damage to your car when you're participating in HPDE, track day, or time trial events.
Link to the thread on the local board:
*awaits more hating*Need parts now? Need them cheap? steve@blunttech.com
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Originally posted by z31maniac View PostGlad that the local guys have done more shopping.
I'm not so worried about finding another shell, but it you say wadded up an E30 like that Porsche, suspension wheels, now your cage, seats, harnesses everything else start to add up really quick.
Basically I could get the E30 insured for $10k for less than $75 a day and have a $1000 deductible. So $9k to replace the wheels/coilovers/cage and the car. So someone like me who has $2k in wheels/tires, $2k in suspension, etc etc, how is such a low amount not worth it to be able to replace it.
HPDE Insurance BUY NOW High Performance Driver Education Insurance Lockton Motorsports offers a policy that covers what standard auto insurance won't—damage to your car when you're participating in HPDE, track day, or time trial events.
Link to the thread on the local board:
*awaits more hating*
If they really truly offer that service for that price, then yes, it is worth it IMO. That's unheard of though, the estimates posted in this thread are more in line with what I've seen in the past.
Nobody is hating.
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For all of us, I'm going to request a copy of the policy and read through the provisions of the contract and see if there is something in there they are hiding.Need parts now? Need them cheap? steve@blunttech.com
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Originally posted by z31maniac View PostFor all of us, I'm going to request a copy of the policy and read through the provisions of the contract and see if there is something in there they are hiding.
Too bad it's only for certain clubs, otherwise I'd consider using it.
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Originally posted by z31maniac View Post*awaits more hating*
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Well...
This is a waste of typing but..
On a street cage the headache bar is positioned farther back and from that you run "crash bars" forward that run low down the side ending at the base of the "A" pillar...
Not the ideal roll cage but better than nothing.... Strengthens the chassis as well.
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Originally posted by DCColegrove View PostWell...
This is a waste of typing but..
On a street cage the headache bar is positioned farther back and from that you run "crash bars" forward that run low down the side ending at the base of the "A" pillar...
Not the ideal roll cage but better than nothing.... Strengthens the chassis as well.
I think a "street cage" is an oxymoron. Cages are not for the street. They are part of a race cars safety package (see: the last 3 pages of this thread).
I don't really care what was done back in the day. Safety improvements happen daily, and it's important to stay up to date. What was mandated in Formula 1 one year might be not even good enough for a club race the next year.
Not saying I'm not open to your ideas, but I've yet to hear ANYONE recommend a cage for street use, besides the manufactures claiming their cage to be a "street sport" cage or some other marketing bullshit.
It's like arguing that NOT wearing a seat belt can save your life. Yes, in that .5% chance that a freak accident happens where you are benefited from not wearing a seat belt. 9 times outta 10, your "safety" cage is going to fuck you up, without the rest of the gear to go with it.
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Originally posted by rwh11385 View PostNo hating, just re-read this post because it's full of good points:
http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/show...4&postcount=61
After reading through their policy, I want to find out what they use to determine depreciation and such.
I'll post up the full policy when I get home from work.Need parts now? Need them cheap? steve@blunttech.com
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Originally posted by JGood View PostI think a "street cage" is an oxymoron. Cages are not for the street. They are part of a race cars safety package (see: the last 3 pages of this thread).
I don't really care what was done back in the day. Safety improvements happen daily, and it's important to stay up to date. What was mandated in Formula 1 one year might be not even good enough for a club race the next year.
Not saying I'm not open to your ideas, but I've yet to hear ANYONE recommend a cage for street use, besides the manufactures claiming their cage to be a "street sport" cage or some other marketing bullshit.
It's like arguing that NOT wearing a seat belt can save your life. Yes, in that .5% chance that a freak accident happens where you are benefited from not wearing a seat belt. 9 times outta 10, your "safety" cage is going to fuck you up, without the rest of the gear to go with it.
However:
The e30 is an 18 year old car at best...
I don't know how safe you feel in them but I'd feel better sitting next to a pipe that indeed might bruise my kidney (or hell even rupture it) in a side impact than having a Honda in my lap.
And as I have stated before... A lot of the stuff available out there is not only shit but dangerous shit...
Like jumping off a roof wearing a jungle gym.
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Originally posted by DCColegrove View PostThis is all true.
I don't know how safe you feel in them but I'd feel better sitting next to a pipe that indeed might bruise my kidney (or hell even rupture it) in a side impact than having a Honda in my lap.
And if you hit something hard enough to compress the crumple zones that much, imagine what would happen in your cagemobile without a harness, etc... You know what a body does when it hits steel at 40g's? I'll take a door panel and sheet metal over a solid steel structure any day if I'm not strapped securely within said structure.
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Originally posted by JGood View PostThat's the thing, it's not a little broken bone or minor flesh wound. It's a skull impact that will kill you.
And if you hit something hard enough to compress the crumple zones that much, imagine what would happen in your cagemobile without a harness, etc... You know what a body does when it hits steel at 40g's? I'll take a door panel and sheet metal over a solid steel structure any day if I'm not strapped securely within said structure.
And I do know what happens... Remember... Six weeks in a hospital and the Mad Max moniker.
I also get your point. But if you want to see black you will see black... If you want to see white you will see white.... I do myself it as well.
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Originally posted by DCColegrove View PostBut if you want to see black you will see black... If you want to see white you will see white.... I do myself it as well.
At least I'll be alive to see something
Alright, I'll throw in the towel. There is enough info in this thread on both sides for people to make their own decision.
More info can be found at corner-carvers.com and the bf.c track forum
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How do you guys feel about the 4 point Schroth Harnesses with ASM?
I was thinking about the fixed back seat thing and looking at the angle I keep my Sport seat anyway, so I'm going to try to sit in some and see if I can find a comfortable one to use on the street.
It's fuh raze to have one in a street car I think, but the idea of stripping down the interior before and after every auto-x/hpde would get old.Need parts now? Need them cheap? steve@blunttech.com
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Originally posted by z31maniac View PostHow do you guys feel about the 4 point Schroth Harnesses with ASM?
Are you serious?
Originally posted by JGood View PostIt's not worth risking. Get a safety package that WORKS. If you want that whole package to feel safer on the track, then do it, but get it all, install it at the same time, and install it properly.Originally posted by rwh11385 View PostBut then again, there's some guys running 4 point harnesses to the base of the back seat with no bar whatsoever and R-comps... and somehow convinced their instructor it is fine.Originally posted by JGood View Post\The chance of serious injury with harnesses and no rollover protection vs. a stock system just makes it not worth it to me.Originally posted by SuperDuper View PostI witnessed this 4 point bar save this poor guy at BIR. Notice how the roof is deformed around the bar? Saved the guys life IMO...Originally posted by Massive Lee View PostCar won't be accepted at BMWCCA HPDEs as it sports a harness and no rollover protection. Most clubs ban such set-up.
Originally posted by rwh11385 View PostLike the guy who died in the past year tracking a cooper with 4 point harnesses and no roll protection.
Generally... Pick None or Pick Three:
Roll bar
Fixed back seats
Harness
People go with fixed back seats and 4 point harnesses for Auto-X and take a risk... but I like walking so no thanks. We've had someone flip a M3 LTW auto-xing... $4!# happens
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