Who's drifting their stock M20?

[rThor432]

Man you sound like you pack fudge.

Real mature kid-o.

You said there was no difference between the two arms. Clearly they at the very least have different castings.

You said they weren't different. They are. That's all.

Exactly.

You said they weren't different, then asked for proof. Then when part numbers/pictures were provided you asked for further proof. Then details about differences are given and you act like a child and talk shit? I'm sorry that you don't know every little nit-picking detail about every BMW part made in the last 30 years; not my problem. I wish you were right all the time, but that's not the case (from what I've seen of your posts over the years). I usually don't correct your misinforming posts when I see them because I don't feel like dealing with the juvenile nature of your posts. But in this case you asked for it, so...

I guess that was a rant so.. /rant

[Wh33lhop]

ok.

[shiboujin]

hahaha you're funny.

[Wh33lhop]

Well when you post pictures and expect me to be able to piece it together, yes. Otherwise, posting pictures is analogous to posting a picture of a dog and a cat and saying, see, same thing.

You said there was no difference between the two arms. Clearly they at the very least have different castings. (or whatever, I'd imagine one of them could be forged)

You're chastising me for posting incomplete "proof" of something? Right.

wat

I see no reason to pick one over the other. That's really what I'm looking for here.

You said they weren't different. They are. That's all.

[shiboujin]

Well when you post pictures and expect me to be able to piece it together, yes. Otherwise, posting pictures is analogous to posting a picture of a dog and a cat and saying, see, same thing.

You're chastising me for posting incomplete "proof" of something? Right.

I see no reason to pick one over the other. That's really what I'm looking for here.

[Wh33lhop]

I see no physical difference between them other than part numbers. Can you elaborate? I do like the E46 first gen control arms (part 5 on the first link) but it has been discontinued :(

You see no physical difference between this



And this?



Seems pretty fucking different to me... are you expecting to be able to measure the dimensions with your eyes or something?

[shiboujin]

Man you sound like you pack fudge.

[rThor432]

Well, as we all know the ETK based pictures are not always accurate depictions of the parts.

The control arm bushings are different and the arm itself is physically different. I've virtually wiped the geometry information from my memory banks; used to know but I'm bad to forget [relatively] useless information like that. As I recall, early (99-01) arms provide a more narrow overall track than the later arms. Again, iirc, I believe that the M3 arms were a little bit more beefy compared to the non-M part. Not sure how the geometry compares between the late non-M and M arms, but I think there was an increase in track with the M arm vs. the late non-M. Best option for the most accurate answer? Buy one of each and do the measuring yourself.

[shiboujin]

I see no physical difference between them other than part numbers. Can you elaborate? I do like the E46 first gen control arms (part 5 on the first link) but it has been discontinued :(

[rThor432]

E46:

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E46/Sedan/USA/325i-M54/LHD/N/2001/january/browse/front_axle/front_axle_support_wishbone/

E46 M3:

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E46/Coupe/USA/M3-S54/LHD/N/2003/january/browse/front_axle/front_axle_support_wishbone/

Done.

[shiboujin]

link me to proof!

[rThor432]

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'd love to be wrong.

Don't worry, you are wrong.

[slammin.e28]

ZHP ones are different, and I think they are the same as the M3. Only difference is what they're made of IIRC. There is a "upgrade kit" for regular e46s that consists of bolt on OEM stuff from the ZHP cars.

[Chaos Theory]

Thats kind of a dumb statement. You're taking a car that is an amazing stock drift platform and saying if it can drift then of course other cars can? Doesn't make sense. The 4ag/4age is super high revving, sturdy, great weight distribution and only weighs 2000lbs in stock form. Here's a quick summary for you: click here I would love to have one of these classic cars that was only produced for a few years.

They are far from. AE86's are a piece of shit when stock. Stock for stock an E30 is better, in every imaginable way. I own both.

[shiboujin]

I run stock E46 control arms. IIRC there isn't any real diff between the regular E46 and E46 M3 control arms. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'd love to be wrong.