Ban bad sellers...or?

[tonerrrr]

Referring to this thread: http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/show....php?p=3230104

There are more people like this out there. They do nothing for the community.

What would be nice to do to these idiots:
-just ban them for their lack of being a decent person and or scammer etc.
-label them so people are aware they are crappy people that you shouldn't do business with
-disallow them from posting or creating threads in the classified sections

What do you think? We don't have an eBay rating system though it's not really needed if mods can objectively deal with these people. Obviously some things aren't black and white but in the thread I mentioned it's pretty clear the seller is unreasonable and is a pretty crappy person.

[JasonC]

Wow! His sig said it all. But problem taken care of.

[tonerrrr]

Awesome, it's unfortunate people like that exist.

[MR 325]

We prefer to roast them, then ban!

[ohthejosh]

I just read that thread, and fcking A that guy was annoying. Somebody should write up and post a buyer seller agreement and sticky it in the classified section. That way there is a written agreement put down with both parties acknowledging it.

If legal action is needed there is some type of documentation to provide evidence. It should be a printable doc that should get signed scanned and posted.

Might help prevent douchenozzles like that guy from running around bragging about stealing money.

[ZM Blue Devil]

someone give me the highlights...

Quick look... Guy put a deposit down on something and then changed his mind, then wants his deposit back? Isnt that the idea of a deposit? Non refundable?

[reelizmpro]

I would say 200-500, and give the rest back. No reason to keep $1000 on a $4500 car. In fact it was foolish to give a stranger that much money as a deposit to begin with. That's almost 25% of the asking price and who knows if the car is actually worth $4500.

[ZM Blue Devil]

reason I asked is we use to not take deposits... people would say "oh Im coming to buy it", we would trust their word, miss out on other sales holding it for people.

Now we ask for a deposit, not 25%... Recently did a $75 deposit for $2500 item. It sucks not to trust people but a persons word is not what they use to be. With a small deposit it ensure the person is serious.

At times we feel more like a bank then a shop/parts seller. Have clipboard with IOUs...

[JasonC]

reason I asked is we use to not take deposits... people would say "oh Im coming to buy it", we would trust their word, miss out on other sales holding it for people.

Now we ask for a deposit, not 25%... Recently did a $75 deposit for $2500 item. It sucks not to trust people but a persons word is not what they use to be. With a small deposit it ensure the person is serious.

At times we feel more like a bank then a shop/parts seller. Have clipboard with IOUs...

Different people have different ways of going about it. I do the, first there with all money in hand has it. But as for the thread. The OP didn't state anything in his original ad about keeping deposits or holding the car for people. Then a bunch of drama took place, and after reading the text messages that the buyer put up, i had to side with him. Cause the seller claimed that he was the new VLAD after people was like, why are you keeping all of the guys money? The seller even changed his sig to say he was like VLAD.... The seller wont be missed.

[Cyrix2k]

someone give me the highlights...

Quick look... Guy put a deposit down on something and then changed his mind, then wants his deposit back? Isnt that the idea of a deposit? Non refundable?

Yes. I don't see where the seller was wrong here... buyer backed out, seller keeps deposit. Simple as that. If something went wrong on the sellers side, THEN the deposit needs to be returned. The only other reason the deposit should have been refunded is if it was explicitly noted as a refundable deposit, but usually that's not the case as it's supposed to cause the buyer pain if they back out - that way they won't back out.

[e30jake]

Yes. I don't see where the seller was wrong here... buyer backed out, seller keeps deposit. Simple as that. If something went wrong on the sellers side, THEN the deposit needs to be returned. The only other reason the deposit should have been refunded is if it was explicitly noted as a refundable deposit, but usually that's not the case as it's supposed to cause the buyer pain if they back out - that way they won't back out.

I see your point but no. Small amount of cash... fine. Keep it if you're going to be a dick about it like this guy was. 1000 bucks is completely different though. I mean can you honestly say you wouldn't give the guy his money back since he didn't have time to look at your car while he was on vacation with his family? I thought r3v members were decent people

[Cyrix2k]

In extenuating circumstances I'd give it back, but being nice negates the rules. If there was no risk of losing the deposit, the deposit would be meaningless. Going on vacation? That doesn't happen by itself... keep deposit. In the hospital? Yeah, I'd give it back, I'm not going to be a dick about it.

Seller:

kinda my own fault...

i was interested in the car, and it would have worked out well to go see it, since i was going to be in so cal, within a few days after sending the deposit...
i asked the seller how far he was from hollywood, and he said about 30-45 minutes...
which would have worked out, but, i was on vacation with my kids, and his place was actually 70 miles away. this would have screwed up our plans, and it was my daughter's bday, so i had to tend to the bigger priority, and pass on seeing the car.

when i realized i was wasting the guy's time, i let him know i couldnt buy it, and to keep 200$ for his troubles, to which he replied "nah, its okay. dont worrie about it"

then another day goes by...

i asked if i should see a refund soon..

"really? i held the car for almost 2 weeks, and took the post down for you bud i lost money for that. i had a lot of costumer for the car i could of had the car sold all those time i did everything to the car to make it right for you, sorry no refunds"

Buyer:

i told you a hour or so..text shows that like i said you got my address and that suppose to mean something then do it !! if its pending inspection then come get the car inspected everything is good on the car! i got the car inspected when you first put a "good faith" deposit JUST FOR YOU i know everything was good for you i even offerd YOU to pick you up from the air port.!

Totally the buyers fault here. You don't make a deposit unless you fully intend to buy, not just to look at a vehicle. Seems like the seller made a reasonable effort to both hold the vehicle and work with the buyer. Lessons? Don't waste a sellers time unless you actually intend to buy and actually have the means to do so.

[agent]

You obviously haven't read the entire thread.

[Cyrix2k]

Please point out to me where the seller failed to uphold his obligation. The buyer backed out after putting down a deposit. He doesn't get his money back. That's the way this stuff usually works. It's not hard to understand and it's black and white. What the seller does with the money after the fact is the seller's business as long as the seller didn't go out of the way to scam the buyer - which he didn't as far as I can tell. He's childish, but totally in the clear to keep the 1k.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I look at a deposit as placing a hold on something, what if the buyer went to look at the car and decided it was not for him and was not going to buy it, does that mean the seller keeps the deposit?