beware of DMS Motorsports and blueapplesoda

[IRON-E]

Read, ben. Rebuilt motor.

Oh Ben.........

[blueapplesoda]

Sorry to dump the popcorn.

Josh. You were a great customer all the way up to the end, when you fucked yourself.

I instructed you to bring the car back to me, along with the last $300 you verbally agreed to pay, so I could do an overall check and final valve adjustment while the car was hot. You skimped and took it elsewhere (or nowhere) so you didn't have to pay dues, and guess what happened.

I've got 12 m20s under my belt, 3 24v motors, a couple ka's and sr's, 3 mazda bp spec motors (all scca regional podium finishers), and 1 b6t. Of all of those the only one that is broken, is yours. Why? Instructions were given; but USER ERROR. You should have that inked on your forehead to remind you every morning not to skife your motor builder. I built a stroker for you, and swapped it (twice) for $3k.



Beware r3v! Derek works for no money!! Has unbearably reasonable customer service!! And he's just an awesome chinaman, making his way in gwailoland.



I build 500hp engines for Christ's sake, Josh. If I didn't tension the belt properly, the engine would have fuckt from the get go..BMW designed it in such a way that is redundant for safeguard. If the tensioner's bottom bolt comes lose, it won't come out because it's blocked by an aluminum cover. The upper bolt, if it falls out, will tension the belt with the spring (which gets held in place with the spring guide), effectively stopping the parts from falling apart, unless someone goes in there and removes the covers. And I know I put the covers in, cause I cleaned and sandblasted almost everything (that could be sandblasted).

Anyhow, being such an important aspect of any engine, I would never miss the timing belt; it's a $20 item that will cost 7 grand if I improperly install it. I would never take any chance, cause I don't do 7 grand mistakes. There are reasons why I ask you to bring your car back to me, even after the job is done. It's to prevent exactly this from happening. I've lived it, done my mistakes, learning in 2006. I've been at this for a minute.

So, quit bitching. I lost twice as much as you did, and you could have saved it the second time by dropping by. You had the option. I mean, the Ball was in your court, professor bball. You don't see me crying about customers on r3v. Life's tough, and karma's a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles. I feel 0 pity, and give 0 fucks. Your mistake, Your loss. No need to point fingers.

BTW Thanks for the business, and thanks for the feedback, it is greatly appreciated.

Love,
Derek

[Cabriolet]

Derek, thank you for posting your side clearly.

engine swapping and building takes a of time a patience that a ton that the customer doesnt always want to pay for or take care of. Best of luck to you.

[Be30riginal]

Sorry to dump the popcorn.

Josh. You were a great customer all the way up to the end, when you fucked yourself.

I instructed you to bring the car back to me, along with the last $300 you verbally agreed to pay, so I could do an overall check and final valve adjustment while the car was hot. You skimped and took it elsewhere (or nowhere) so you didn't have to pay dues, and guess what happened.

I've got 12 m20s under my belt, 3 24v motors, a couple ka's and sr's, 3 mazda bp spec motors (all scca regional podium finishers), and 1 b6t. Of all of those the only one that is broken, is yours. Why? Instructions were given; but USER ERROR. You should have that inked on your forehead to remind you every morning not to skife your motor builder. I built a stroker for you, and swapped it (twice) for $3k.



Beware r3v! Derek works for no money!! Has unbearably reasonable customer service!! And he's just an awesome chinaman, making his way in gwailoland.



I build 500hp engines for Christ's sake, Josh. If I didn't tension the belt properly, the engine would have fuckt from the get go..BMW designed it in such a way that is redundant for safeguard. If the tensioner's bottom bolt comes lose, it won't come out because it's blocked by an aluminum cover. The upper bolt, if it falls out, will tension the belt with the spring (which gets held in place with the spring guide), effectively stopping the parts from falling apart, unless someone goes in there and removes the covers. And I know I put the covers in, cause I cleaned and sandblasted almost everything (that could be sandblasted).

Anyhow, being such an important aspect of any engine, I would never miss the timing belt; it's a $20 item that will cost 7 grand if I improperly install it. I would never take any chance, cause I don't do 7 grand mistakes. There are reasons why I ask you to bring your car back to me, even after the job is done. It's to prevent exactly this from happening. I've lived it, done my mistakes, learning in 2006. I've been at this for a minute.

So, quit bitching. I lost twice as much as you did, and you could have saved it the second time by dropping by. You had the option. I mean, the Ball was in your court, professor bball. You don't see me crying about customers on r3v. Life's tough, and karma's a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles. I feel 0 pity, and give 0 fucks. Your mistake, Your loss. No need to point fingers.

BTW Thanks for the business, and thanks for the feedback, it is greatly appreciated.

Love,
Derek

Why would anyone in their right mind pay anything more or bring their car back to a moron that lies and couldnt fix or get it right the first 2 times...after all the motors u built mine should have been a walk in the park....ur full of excuses. ..after 6 months of going back and forth to your illegally run shop I had no desire to deal with u...good day to u and ship ur sweatshop back to china

[Exodus_2pt0]

If the tensioner's bottom bolt comes lose, it won't come out because it's blocked by an aluminum cover. The upper bolt, if it falls out, will tension the belt with the spring (which gets held in place with the spring guide), effectively stopping the parts from falling apart, unless someone goes in there and removes the covers.

I have first hand experience that this will not stop the timing belt from failing.

I received my first e30 from my brother, with a snapped timing belt. Upon removal I found a rubber band wide timing belt with a bunch of rubber dust under the in-tact covers.

The tensioner bolt's had come loose and the pulley cocked to one side, eating the belt until it snapped. My brother is a computer programmer by trade, who does his own work. He misunderstood how to tension the belt, leading to this issue.

I'm not saying that this is what happened, just that there is no real failsafe built into any timing belt design.

With that said, if you are paying someone to modify your vehicle, you had better have deep pockets just in case the worst case scenario happens.

The fact that the OP did not return to the technician as directed to gives full immunity to the tech.

[Be30riginal]

I have first hand experience that this will not stop the timing belt from failing.

I received my first e30 from my brother, with a snapped timing belt. Upon removal I found a rubber band wide timing belt with a bunch of rubber dust under the in-tact covers.

The tensioner bolt's had come loose and the pulley cocked to one side, eating the belt until it snapped. My brother is a computer programmer by trade, who does his own work. He misunderstood how to tension the belt, leading to this issue.

I'm not saying that this is what happened, just that there is no real failsafe built into any timing belt design.

With that said, if you are paying someone to modify your vehicle, you had better have deep pockets just in case the worst case scenario happens.

The fact that the OP did not return to the technician as directed to gives full immunity to the tech.

Technician only wanted me to return to pay him the $100 I owed not $300 ..he never told me to come back to check it out and actually stated I can not warranty the motor anymore due to having too much invested in the project

[Exodus_2pt0]

Fair enough. Sorry for the luck on both ends honestly. Everyone loses here.

[SirSwag]

damn sorry to hear that bro :( its hard to trust any mechanic now days.

[ninety4e36]

Sorry to hear about everything. That's why if you want something done you have to do it yourself

[reelizmpro]

Why was the car given back if the engine wasn't ready to go? Can't always rely on customers coming back to check things over in a timely manner. I've built an M20 and shipped it across the country...no problems. What I'm getting at is how do you know it would have made a difference if he brought the car back or not? Timing belt coming loose isn't "user error", that's mechanic's negligence. The customer should have brought the car back when he noticed something wasn't right but it was too late. It's obvious something went seriously wrong to have such a catastrophic failure. I don't think the customer not getting the car back to you in a timely manner constitutes "user error." This wasn't caused by mechanical overrev.

Derek, it's nothing personal but it doesn't matter if you've built 100 500HP engines you can still make mistakes if you're not taking your time and concentrating on the task at hand. Which is especially difficult if you have too many things going on.

[MR 325]

Going to have to 100% agree with your post Barry.

[e30trooper]

Read, ben. Rebuilt motor.

I read that thanks. But its still a bit over priced. Anyways sucks what happened.

[homegrone30]

As a mechanic I would say your lucky he warrentied out anything to begin with. You had him build a stroker motor with used parts. You have to expect failure somewhere when you either rebuild with used parts or modify something. That's the name of the game when you start building one off motors.
I warrenty my work out only if I get the parts and if the parts are new.(junkyard motors have a warranty for a reason) If my customer brings me parts all I can guarantee is its not going to fall off.
I'm not placing blame nor am I saying anyone here is right. But bottom line is shit happens when you start tinkering. If your that upset with his work pick up a wrench and learn how to do it yourself. It will save you a lot of money in the long run and when something does go wrong you will only be able to blame yourself.

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[reelizmpro]

As a mechanic I would say your lucky he warrentied out anything to begin with. You had him build a stroker motor with used parts. You have to expect failure somewhere when you either rebuild with used parts or modify something. That's the name of the game when you start building one off motors.
I warrenty my work out only if I get the parts and if the parts are new.(junkyard motors have a warranty for a reason) If my customer brings me parts all I can guarantee is its not going to fall off.
I'm not placing blame nor am I saying anyone here is right. But bottom line is shit happens when you start tinkering. If your that upset with his work pick up a wrench and learn how to do it yourself. It will save you a lot of money in the long run and when something does go wrong you will only be able to blame yourself.

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Expect failure? Really? So what's the alternative...use a brand new complete head? a brand new bottom end? The rockers didn't break from fatigue, they broke because of a timing issue. With all due respect, the parts may be used but then the engine builder should have sent the head/block to the machine shop to be sure they are suitable for use before the builder does anything with them. Once he builds the engine, it's pretty much his baby. He's not installing a complete used engine. He's now installing a DMS 2.7 stroker (he is a performance shop, no?) which the customer has paid $3K for. I can see if a single rocker broke, etc failure caused by fatigue or something fluke but a failure like this has nothing to do with new/used parts. Anyone can throw parts together, customers are paying for your expertise/experience.

[einstein57]

I warrenty my work out only if I get the parts

he built a motor from ground up...provided and changed all parts himself..