PNW Chit Chat thread

[LuckyHenriksen]

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Ahh I totally would have taken you up on the offer if I was in the couve lol that sounds delish

[brutus87]

5 guys is the shit!
I would have taken you up on that offer if I had seen it earlier.
Oh and Abe. On your sig, I noticed on the orange BMW it says "Mackins" autobody, do you know someone who works there?????

[kid325e]

Some people cut springs others wouldn't bother. I wouldn't put cut springs on a BMW maybe a VW but still goes against everything I was taught! Looks good though.

Abe I went to 5 Guys last night... except the one in Lynnwood.

[Twelvizm]

Whether to cut or not really is about the era. Older cars springs were for the most part made of better steel than the aftermarket companies of the time. You used to hear stories of aftermarket springs that would sag and break. There arent that many forges in the world that have the capabilities of making high quality springs. Like wheels, there are many brands but very few factories making them.

Before the 90's, there were not many companies, outside of auto makers, that could afford to do business with the larger forges.

Back to my specific car: the stock spring rate felt like it was about 250. Cutting them increased that. So it's probably around 300 now. It's good and firm without being at all rough.

Its easy to read something online and come up with a half baked opinion. But if you were to drive the car before and after, you'd applaud the difference.

[AbeSonic]

Who gives a fuck. Moving on....lol

[EN318isPDX]

I've never seen a publication promoting the cutting of coil springs before. And from Metric Mechanic no less!

It is dated 1993

Whether to cut or not really is about the era. Older cars springs were for the most part made of better steel than the aftermarket companies of the time. You used to hear stories of aftermarket springs that would sag and break. There arent that many forges in the world that have the capabilities of making high quality springs. Like wheels, there are many brands but very few factories making them.

Before the 90's, there were not many companies, outside of auto makers, that could afford to do business with the larger forges.

Back to my specific car: the stock spring rate felt like it was about 250. Cutting them increased that. So it's probably around 300 now. It's good and firm without being at all rough.

Its easy to read something online and come up with a half baked opinion. But if you were to drive the car before and after, you'd applaud the difference.

Cutting springs is against my religion, you cheap ass just buy some good aftermarket ones. i would have had to cut my E30 springs in half to get as low as the H&R plus they wouldn't be as thick thus not having the same spring rate

If you aren't an automobile engineer don't try to re-engineer a car ;)

/end rant

Who gives a fuck. Moving on....lol

Not you mr squishy springs!

[E30Rookie37]

lol old people dont know how to turn on a computer let alone register and post on a forum.

He said it wasn't a grandmother not that it was but I wholeheartedly agree with old people not knowing how to do anything technological.

[EN318isPDX]

He said it wasn't a grandmother not that it was but I wholeheartedly agree with old people not knowing how to do anything technological.

You know its not all old people, I have forced my dad into learning how to maintain and add parts to his computer himself. He knows how to crack games and download lots of porn. He gets a virus and can re install windows himself! Saves me the 45m drive, not bad for a 60 year old man

[hoseklamp]

If you aren't an automobile engineer don't try to re-engineer a car ;)

Do you really have to be an automobile engineer to understand springs?? It's not just the wire diameter that effects the spring rate... If he needed a stiffer spring rate and wanted it lower, cutting the spring isn't a horrible choice. Though heating it up and bending it like the article says probably isn't the best idea...

In the end, I'm sure an aftermarket spring is still the more "correct" way to do it :)

[Twelvizm]

Cutting springs is against my religion, you cheap ass just buy some good aftermarket ones. i would have had to cut my E30 springs in half to get as low as the H&R plus they wouldn't be as thick thus not having the same spring rate

If I needed to keep the spring rate the same but just wanted to lose height, I would have went with H&R's like I did on my Passat. Since I wanted them stiffer and shorter, it was best to just kuttem up. :woowoo:

[Twelvizm]

In the end, I'm sure an aftermarket spring is still the more "consumer-friendly" way to do it :)

It's just easier when you don't have to think about making something the way you want it. Much easier to just click "buy" ;)

[Twelvizm]

Let me try and visualize to you the difference of how the car feels to drive.

Before cutting:


After:


Most people reject the idea that you can dial in suspension by cutting the springs based on no supporting data. And just blanket statement it as being bad. What evs.

[Twelvizm]

Who gives a fuck. Moving on....lol

You have sex with men for money. :finger:

[EN318isPDX]

Let me try and visualize to you the difference of how the car feels to drive.

Before cutting:


After:


Most people reject the idea that you can dial in suspension by cutting the springs based on no supporting data. And just blanket statement it as being bad. What evs.

I call bs, Shorter springs that are thinner (result of cutting stock e30 IS spring) are going to have less spring rate than shorter thicker spring (H&R race)

How do you know that car has cut springs? You would think he has coilovers since hes on the race track, IMO i think cutting springs is all about looks and 0 performance.

But I know this is beating a dead horse because there are guys who swear by cutting and people who believe its blasphemy. As i said before, IMO if you arnt an engineer dont engineer it yourself.

[Twelvizm]

I was showing you pictures that describe how different it feels. And when you cut springs or when they are shorter, the stiffer they get. It's a common mistake. This explains it simply:



Now which one will bend the most? Shorter is stiffer, even if the wire is the same diameter. Sway bars, torsion beam all work the same way. A spring is just a torsion beam in a coil.