S50 Is dead thanks to TRM.

[318isbmw]

I will be returning the chip. The car is setup as listed. The injectors maf and others parts are all known to be good. The e36 m3 it went into is setup identical to mine so that is not an issue. The map seemed fine until. 5500 plus rpm. When the turner chip was used it resulted in perfect driving characteristics but the underlying damage had been done. The chip runs so much fuel up top that I doubt that any car could burn it. The codes where triggered by the extreme duty cycle of the injectors causing run issues that the DME could not deal with and it resulted in reading out of the parameters. I went over my order in person on the phone and explained my cars setup my concerns and all other factors involved in the tuning. Also I live in Nevada not CA. I am not posting in an attemt to discredit your company but I am posting as this is a community I belong to and I would hate for someone in my community to have to go through what I am dealing with right now. Your chip may work well in theory in GA but I am telling you that in Reno Nevada it pushed nearly a quart of gas into my oil. Test and retest all the parameters you want but in the real world that I live in I have blowby and rod knock on an engine that was fully rebuilt. I have emailed TRM @ the contact provided on the website.

PM Matt on here and see what he says. I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in, as he has a say on everything.

[jrhaile]

I know someone who can duplicate it here in town. I do not expect them to cover anything but a refund for my chip, as I am sure they will say " we can not verify the cond. of your engine". Are they the kind of company that will try to hold out on my return and say they did nothing wrong and stick me with the chip?

This to me is as clear cut as it gets... something with the tune was foul. Hopefully TRM will setup up to the plate finally and do the right thing with their bad tunes. They sure didn't for a buddy of mine, that's for sure.

Which Matt would that Be?

Princess Matt... TRM's "mouth" if you will

[techno550]

The spec sheet you posted lists 91 octane, hence my mention of California, where most of our 91 octane chips are sold. This is not the first 91 octane chip for that combination we have sent out, this is the first one to have an "issue" though. (other than the usual "issues" like no start or running issues from hardware issues. Most eventually figure out how to hook up the fuel lines, vac lines, and connect wires.)

Did you try swapping the injectors or MAF (both of which you had codes for) into the other vehicle?

Who did the rebuild?

[techno550]

Before you return it, make a copy. THere are places that can copy eproms for cheap. Do this for your protection incase they try to pawn off the blame on something else.

I don't recall ever having any dealings with you so I don't know where your problem with me lies.

As a side note, copying a chip is illegal. We only need the serial number on the top to verify the tune. If the chip is suspect (which it shouldn't be unless there is a DME code) we can verify the integrity of the data here as well.

[mattdk318i]

Way to blatantly bash the buyer and his ability to build a engine. After he has clearly stated that the engine Ran fine with a stock chip. AND on top of that the TRM chip wouldnt run in a Well known good S50

[mattdk318i]

I do realize the problem arose on a Saturday, So there was most likely no way TRM could deal with the problem. And i know they are/will be a bit defensive of the thread title.

But to be honest i would be raging mad and upset. Im sure tomm morning there will be a few blind sack hangers for TRM and there will be a shit storm. But from what ive read you seem very well versed with your engine/setup and the problem is simply with the chip, Which was either the wrong one or incorrectly burned.

Just because you got your chip and it works "great" doesnt mean every one is going to be perfect. There will always be a "bad egg" in the bunch

[mattdk318i]

Maybe they just sent you the Top Fuel Dragster chip by mistake?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGTbQuhhluY

[e30s52]

This to me is as clear cut as it gets... something with the tune was foul. Hopefully TRM will setup up to the plate finally and do the right thing with their bad tunes. They sure didn't for a buddy of mine, that's for sure.



Princess Matt... TRM's "mouth" if you will

Please tell me what happend. I have a trm chip in my car right now and its the same specs as your car but an s52. I have noticed that the car doesnt idle very well compared to my friends e36 m3.

[e30s52]

If you have any problems with hesitation or pull at high RPM be carefull. That is where my chip had issues and was dumping the most fuel. Also my car idled smoother with the Turner chip.

I havent had any problems like that but I have changed the oil about 3 times with no gass in it but it idles like crap. I mean it jumps around from time to time. It will go from 6XX to 8XX for no reason.

[rThor432]

I havent had any problems like that but I have changed the oil about 3 times with no gass in it but it idles like crap. I mean it jumps around from time to time. It will go from 6XX to 8XX for no reason.

Do you have a light flywheel, and if so, did you have them add the idle compensation that goes with the lightened flywheel? Mine idles low/rough with a standard chip (600ish rpm), but is fine with the TRM chip that is set up for the light flywheel.

[e30s52]

Do you have a light flywheel, and if so, did you have them add the idle compensation that goes with the lightened flywheel? Mine idles low/rough with a standard chip (600ish rpm), but is fine with the TRM chip that is set up for the light flywheel.

Nope I dont have a light wieght flywheel and my chip isnt programed for it.

[gregslow318i]

I also had a trm chip and my car consistently made less power than other simaler combos, that used other tuners for tune's.
I also called and talked to beret, matt and a few other people at trm about 2-3 times an lost of emails until he finally responded with this
"Greg,

After looking at your files, reading the email trail you sent, and talking to the guys, it seems there were changes/variations performed that were not communicated/ordered properly. It seems there has been some confusion primarily with the injectors.

All of the tunes we’ve got for you all show the use of the stock M50/S50 (green) Injectors. Your notes below show that you’ve used both the pink tops, and the green tops, yet all the tunes we’ve got show only green. Additionally, after reviewing the last dyno plot, it’s clear the cams are also not timed correctly as well. I’ve also heard that you might have a lightweight flywheel, but do not have that as part of your tune either.

I also can’t find an order from you on the old web site records, which leads me to believe you may have ordered this tune via PM. I’ve sent a note to Matt to see if he has any record of the original ‘order’ for comparison.


At this point I think its best to start over, completely. Please provide me with a very detailed list of everything you are currently running.

Thank you.

Bret."


***note=> I sent them this <=****

and my order form as follows
Date Ordered: Sunday 16 March, 2008

I had one other question I am still using a stock m50 maf not a m52 obd2 maf would i need to change this for this chip? thanks

Products
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1 x M52/S52 OBD-I Software (TRM-S52-OBD1) = $375.00
Octane 91 Octane
Rev Limit 7000
Motor M52 w/ S52 cams
MAF Stock M52/S52
Lightweight Flywheel Lightweight flywheel installed
Injectors Stock S52/M52 (pink top)
------------------------------------------------------
Sub-Total: $375.00
United Parcel Service (XML) (1 pkg x 1 lbs total) (UPS Ground, 2008-03-24): $14.71
Total: $389.71


so clearly trm has some explaining to do but I solved my own problem pulled the motor a putting a new combo something else in their with a dinan tune
also I posted on a trm tread by matt

http://r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=140495

ps matt I did call the shop 3 more times and email you and brett back.
kinda hard to fix a problem when you say there isant one then berry you head in the sand and say that you cant find any info on my order....
lesson learned as it only costed me $400+ dyno time and not a motor unlike BMW_TUNER
oh hear is my dyno sheets
first tune

second tune (pleas note made less power than first tune)

[416stroker]

6 horse power? I think the humidity might have had something to do with that. you only made less TQ HP was up in the second tune?

[z31maniac]

MmmHMMMmmmm, this makes me a bit nervous about the TRM chip sitting my DME for my nearly completed swap.

[matt]

Out of all the hundreds of people running our chips, the only ones who are going to speak up are the un-happy ones. And the ones that don't have a TRM chip at all.

There is something (probably a lot) that you aren't telling us, BMW_TUNER.