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    What I'm confused on is if I need to run wires to the front lower panel speaker and redo my wiring at head unit so i power rear speakers?

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      Even worse, when I turn my lights on the head unit goes off still don't have sound either but my Bluetooth speaker is working great till I get this figured out

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        Well got the stereo to stay on with the head light. Had a wire hooked up wrong from the head light dimmer. Still no sounds from speakers I'm thinking maybe bad headunit?

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          Here's the wiring in my June '87 built E30 2-door with Premium sound (door mirror tweeters)....

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          I don't know what head unit originally came in this car.

          Which of the many configurations is this one? I'm a rookie when it comes to car stereo...

          Also, my E30 has a secondary BMW harness plugged into it right now, that allows a CD43 to plug right in. So that's why it may look different to you.

          I'm looking for a pin-out on this car that tells me what the purpose of each wire is.

          Thank you!

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            trying to put a Pioneer head unit(DEH-X6900BT) into my 90 325is car. The car had an aftermarket head unit in it before and they cut the factory harness. So I'm trying to figure out what wires from the radio harness goes to the car harness. From all that here, is what I'm seeing:
            Body harness:.......................Radio harness:
            White(two wires)...................Blue/white(system remote control)
            Brown/blk.............................Black
            Violet/gray...........................Red
            Gray/red..............................Orange
            Red/green............................Yellow

            I think the above are right...

            For the speakers I have
            yellow/brown
            yellow/blk
            yellow/brown
            yellow/orange(maybe red?)
            Blue/brown
            blue/black
            blue/brown
            blue/orange(maybe red?)

            Radio harness has these:
            green
            green/blk
            white
            white/blk
            purple(violet?)
            purple(violet?)/blk
            gray
            gray/blk


            Any help would be greatly appreciated.
            Last edited by TeXJ; 10-07-2017, 09:44 PM.
            1990 325is
            m52b28
            3.73lsd
            g260 (1987 325is 5spd tranny)

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              Did searching but can't seem to get this resolved so hoping you all can help. I have an 86 eta with no amp that i can find in the trunk. Aftermarket headunit and new speakers install went fine but a few months down the road the quality dropped one day drastically, to the point of some speakers not working at all and the ones that did the quality was awful. I thought it was the headunit but had it tested and it checks out. checked all the speaker connections and they look good, and due to the fact that multiple speakers went out at once, that ruled out one of the speakers going bad.

              any advice on this? if there is a stock amp that has gone bad, i have torn the trunk apart and still can't find it.

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                Stock amp is on the driver's side of the trunk, on the back side of the wheel wel, under a carpeted panel. Did your car had a "fader" in the dash?
                Originally posted by Matt-B
                hey does anyone know anyone who gets upset and makes electronics?

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                  Originally posted by george graves View Post
                  Stock amp is on the driver's side of the trunk, on the back side of the wheel wel, under a carpeted panel. Did your car had a "fader" in the dash?
                  Yes there is a fader in the dash, but PO had an aftermarket stereo and the fader wires had been cut. What is strange is that the new speakers/head unit worked great for a few months and then crapped out randomly one day. ill double check the trunk again tonight and see if I can track the amp down.

                  In researching I didn't find any fuses that would be related to it and if one was and it went, then the whole stereo would go.

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                    So, this might help a bit. But some amps don't play nicely with shared grounds - or different ground on the speakers vs the amp/deck. And the "factory fader" can be a know problem. But as you said, it was cut out, but perhaps the wiring was the issue? It's too early in the AM for me to think ;) Hope that bit of trivia helps!
                    Originally posted by Matt-B
                    hey does anyone know anyone who gets upset and makes electronics?

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                      no amp in the trunk. right now i am waiting on the headunit to be returned so I can hook back up and troubleshoot again. I want to avoid having to re-wire the speakers but I am running out of possible solutions.

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                        Did this re-wire tonight on my son’s 90 325is. The car has premium sound with no fader dial in the dash. Very bizarre wiring for what should be a very simple audio circuit.

                        From amp to speakers is a piece of cake and Luke’s original post is spot on. 4 speakers, 4 twisted pairs, 8 wires total. Easy.

                        The connection from the front of the car to the amp input is where things get confusing. Rather than sending 8 wires from the radio to the amp like any sane person would do, BMW opted to tie all the grounds together at both ends. Lucky for us, the twisted pairs still exist, you just have to untape the harness and work your way back until you find them. Keep in mind that the ground colors in the first post may not match your car. You’ll probably end up with 2 yellow/brown wires and 2 blue/brown. Just keep the twisted pairs together and connect one at a time.

                        Picture of our trunk wiring before we taped it all up with cloth harness tape. Hope this helps!

                        - Darrell

                        2001 BMW M5
                        1990 BMW 325is - Build Thread

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                          I posted this in another thread I made, but maybe it makes more sense to post it here.

                          Does anyone know the best way to do the amp bypass mod while leaving the original wiring intact? I know, needlessly complicated, but I don't want to modify the original wiring so I can revert back to stock without having to re-wire anything later.

                          I have an amp that isn't good I'm going to attempt to use for this. The issue I've come across are the common ground speaker wires coming from the radio (this is a 90 325is with premium sound); the 2 yellow/brown and 2 blue/brown wires that combine into the single brown/black wire just before the amp connector. I read there shouldn't be common grounds for the speakers for the aftermarket HU (should be floating ground instead). So do I just connect the positive wires together inside the amp and leave the grounds connected as they are in the amp? Does the amp need to be powered on for the grounds to do whatever they need to do or should I terminate the power and remote turn on wires?

                          I used my multimeter to test the grounds at the amp connector for continuity and they don't have continuity. They go through circuitry in the amp, and I don't know exactly how the circuitry is configured and what it consists of or what it does exactly.

                          Maybe I should just install a floating ground adapter inside the amp.
                          Last edited by Andrew325is; 02-21-2019, 12:16 PM.
                          Plug and Play Wiring Harness Adapters for S54, S50, M54 and more.

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                            How do I wire my CM5908 WITH the amp? On the wiring diagram for a 1989 with amp, it shows only one wire per speaker from the HU to the amp, rather than 2 (just like rontgen explains above). I think I can figure it out by trial and error as far as which of the two wires from the radio I should use per speaker. My big question is around what I see in the factory wiring. There's a harness connected to the speaker harness that looks factory given all the German language and BMW logos, but it looks like something really strange is going on there. 8 speaker wires in, 2 out. I hesitate to cut any harness, so have you guys ever seen this setup in a late model E30 with premium sound? 1990. Maybe my car had something other than a CM5908?

                            Thanks for any info you may share.

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                            Last edited by Aleman; 04-27-2019, 12:34 PM.
                            R135 /// 1990 Alpinweiß II 325is
                            └┼┼┘ /// 1993 Black/Black Convertible (sold)
                            ..24

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                              So @Aleman you have the 4 channel common ground setup common to the later cars. basically at the head unit all the speaker grounds are terminated on those 2 brown wires that get screwed on to the back of the radio heatsink.

                              Radios like the CM5908 and KE83ZBM have 4 amp channels (and a CD changer connector). the earlier radios like the CM5905, CM5907 and KE81ZBM only have 2 amp channels.

                              You have probably seen pics with early model E30s showing an external fader knob. That fader was how a 2 channel radio drove 4 sets of speakers in the early model cars.

                              The left side of the big black connector in your wiring is what the old external fader used to plug into. In common ground 4 channel cars like yours the headhunt wiring included a 2 to 4 channel adapter harness that replaced the fader. The right side of that black connector is one end of the adapter. the other end is a rectangular connector with 4 blades labeled LH (links hinted = left rear) and RH (rechts hinten = right rear). Those are the rear head unit speaker connections.

                              Here is a standalone picture of the 2 to 4 channel adapter, part number 61101388934


                              Note that there are no ground wires in that harness - on either end. You can tell what the head unit output wires do from the color coding:
                              blue head unit wires are for the right channels
                              yellow head unit wires are for the left channels
                              blue or yellow red striped wires are for the front channels
                              blue or yellow black striped wires are for the right channels

                              Now regarding the BMW Sound System wiring, those head unit speaker outputs get routed to your blaupunkt trunk amp harness. It's about 90% certain the amp is fried. You can either (1) rebuild it, (2) bypass it and run headunit only or (3) bypass it and replace with an aftermarket 4 or 5 channel amp. @Rontgen's pic beautifully captures the bypass you need to do for case 2. For case 3 you route the yellow and blue wire pairs to the aftermarket amp's speaker level inputs, and the aftermarket amp's outputs get wired to the black and grey striped wires that go to the four speaker sets.

                              Here are the power amp output wiring colors (probably posted for the 135th time lol)
                              grey amp wires are for the front speakers
                              black amp wires are for the rear speakers
                              grey or black wires with red stripes are left channel
                              grey or black wires with violet / purple stripes are left channel ground
                              grey or black wires with white stripes are right channel
                              grey or black wires with brown stripes are right channel ground


                              the three remaining power amp wires are self explanatory, red for battery, white for amp on/off and brown for ground.

                              FYI I'm working on an adapter harness for all this so no wire cutting is needed, but will be a while. First install will be Cosmo, my 86 Cosmoblau 325. It will be running an Infinity REF 4555A 5 channel amp and a JBL 1224SS trunk sub.

                              for completeness, here's a 1986 BMW Sound System schematic for TWO CHANNEL RADIOS showing the wiring for the radio, amp, speakers and power antenna. Note the radio output wiring is common ground.


                              Here's the same set of schematics for a 1989 late production BMW sound system car with FOUR CHANNEL RADIO wiring. Again the radio output wiring to the power amp is a common ground setup.

                              Finally, here's an 1989 4 CHANNEL RADIO ONLY late production schematic. Note each speaker has it's own ground wire. Early production is electrically the same with some harness connector differences


                              NOTE The 1989 325i / 325is electrical troubleshooting manual has 4 different radio + amp schematics based on early vs late production, radio only vs BMW Sound system. Make sure you're looking at the right version for your car!
                              -- 2 channel (up to early 88 or so) or 4 channel radio
                              -- radio only, or BMW Sound System with amp
                              -- coupe/sedan or convertible. Convertibles with BMW Sound System do not have rear tweeters, or crossovers on the rear speakers.
                              Last edited by bradnic; 04-28-2019, 03:38 PM.
                              I BUY/SELL REFURBISHED CM5907s & CM5908s

                              HOWTOs:
                              DB vert plastic bumpers
                              OEM Keys
                              MTech1 docs

                              88 ix Lach/Card
                              91 ic Calypso 3.1
                              86 Cosmo 2.7

                              OEM+ or bust!


                              reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor
                              TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30
                              e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.

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                                Originally posted by Andrew325is View Post
                                I posted this in another thread I made, but maybe it makes more sense to post it here.

                                Does anyone know the best way to do the amp bypass mod while leaving the original wiring intact? I know, needlessly complicated, but I don't want to modify the original wiring so I can revert back to stock without having to re-wire anything later.

                                I have an amp that isn't good I'm going to attempt to use for this. The issue I've come across are the common ground speaker wires coming from the radio (this is a 90 325is with premium sound); the 2 yellow/brown and 2 blue/brown wires that combine into the single brown/black wire just before the amp connector. I read there shouldn't be common grounds for the speakers for the aftermarket HU (should be floating ground instead). So do I just connect the positive wires together inside the amp and leave the grounds connected as they are in the amp? Does the amp need to be powered on for the grounds to do whatever they need to do or should I terminate the power and remote turn on wires?

                                I used my multimeter to test the grounds at the amp connector for continuity and they don't have continuity. They go through circuitry in the amp, and I don't know exactly how the circuitry is configured and what it consists of or what it does exactly.

                                Maybe I should just install a floating ground adapter inside the amp.
                                You ever get an answer to this?
                                I did the amp bypass under the rear seat of my 90 vert. I then reversed it after refurbishing my power amp. I'm working on a harness bypass for aftermarket amps that doesn't require cutting the OEM wiring, but it will be a while.

                                If you're asking about getting rid of the common ground extensions at either end so you can run an aftermarket headhunt, right now you're stuck needing to mod the wiring. There actually is a 2 to 4 channel adapter from BMW that DOES preserve the individual speaker grounds. It's expensive though, and still has the German speaker connectors on it.
                                Last edited by bradnic; 04-28-2019, 12:53 PM.
                                I BUY/SELL REFURBISHED CM5907s & CM5908s

                                HOWTOs:
                                DB vert plastic bumpers
                                OEM Keys
                                MTech1 docs

                                88 ix Lach/Card
                                91 ic Calypso 3.1
                                86 Cosmo 2.7

                                OEM+ or bust!


                                reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor
                                TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30
                                e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.

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