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  • E30_Beau
    Noobie
    • Mar 2021
    • 25

    #1

    Closed loop idle tuning

    Hi all,

    Just chasing some advice, my car isn't starting on closed loop unless i have my foot on the accelerator. Now i was going though the setting and the idle valve duty% both open and closed look like they are set pretty low. Would that be what is stopping the car from starting and getting to idle or do i need to look at some other setting to sort this out?
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  • Jaxx_
    E30 Mastermind
    • Dec 2009
    • 1880

    #2
    Under the startup/idle menu, you need to open the idle cranking duty/steps table. Raise the cranking duty for your affected CLTs.
    Last edited by Jaxx_; 02-17-2022, 09:36 PM.
    '84 318i M10B18 147- Safari Beige
    NA: 93whp/90ftlbs, MS2E w/ LC, 2-Step
    Turbo: 221whp/214ftlbs, MS3x flex @ 17psi

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    • E30_Beau
      Noobie
      • Mar 2021
      • 25

      #3
      okay, sorry i didn't explain that very well. The car turns over and the catches but without any throttle input it only lasts for a second then stalls out straight away.

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      • Digitalwave
        is a poseur
        • Oct 2003
        • 6280

        #4
        Is the idle already 100% tuned on open loop?

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        • E30_Beau
          Noobie
          • Mar 2021
          • 25

          #5
          yeah i guess so, after it leaves the warmup period it holds its idle well and doesn't seem to be running rich or anything.

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          • Jaxx_
            E30 Mastermind
            • Dec 2009
            • 1880

            #6
            have you tried more ASE?
            '84 318i M10B18 147- Safari Beige
            NA: 93whp/90ftlbs, MS2E w/ LC, 2-Step
            Turbo: 221whp/214ftlbs, MS3x flex @ 17psi

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            • e30davie
              E30 Mastermind
              • Apr 2016
              • 1788

              #7
              there are some good guides around setting the idle valves.

              generally speaking this is how i think you do,

              -figure out what % it idles at when its stone cold and at elevated rpm (~1200 or whatever) - the stone cold one is your "open duty"
              -Figure out what % it idles at when its at operating temp. - the operating temp is your "closed duty"


              have you changed any of these numbers? raising the "open duty" might help your issue.

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              • nando
                Moderator
                • Nov 2003
                • 34827

                #8
                if it's dying after starting, that's probably not ICV tuning. Most likely your ASE curve is not enough - or your CLT/IAT curves are not well calibrated.

                A poorly tuned ICV will not die, but the idle with fluctuate, especially while cold.
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                • E30_Beau
                  Noobie
                  • Mar 2021
                  • 25

                  #9
                  Okay it turns out it was the idle duty % was the problem. They were set way to low so I've adjusted them both and now she is all sweet.

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